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Re: Where I'm at 07 Sep 2009 18:19 #16320

  • battleworn
Oy Uri Uri! Pain and depression are topics that I have whole lot of experience with. The problem is that I'm not in the mood and that's, of course, because of my own pain. But it's getting late in the day so I got to try and Hashem will give me the right words.

First of all about pain. You are SO right that emotional pain hurts WAY more than physical pain. But the gain is according to the pain. Physical surgery involves physical pain and gives physical benefit. Spiritual surgery involves emotional pain and gives REAL ETERNAL SPIRITUAL benefit.

The same is true about the time issue. Physical surgery may take a few hours and benefit us for a few decades. Spiritual surgery may take a few decades (the Mesilas Yeshorim says that this is proof that this world is just a preparation for the next) and benefit us for ETERNITY. The question is not how to avoid the pain but rather how to handle the pain. When we learn to have bitachon and make our life's focus "What do I need to do right now" instead being self-centered (and you're well on your way to getting there) -when we develop an intimate relationship with Hashem, the pain becomes much much easier to handle.

Depression is a different question, because it is partially in our hands. In general depression comes from the notion that things could have been and/or should have been different. So of course, as you strengthen your Emunah and Bitachon more and more, the depression gets less and less. But even more important, is the question of how you react to feelings of depression. We all know that depression is extremely destructive, so when we start feeling depressed we tend to get very depressed about being depressed.

About 15 years ago I learned the sefer Tzidkas Hatzadik. It had a humongous positive effect on my life, but there was one thing I couldn't begin to understand. He says (in #57) that Hashem gives a person ("mi shezocheh") depression as a tikun for his sins. (He explaines that this is considered gehinom and such a person does not need to go to gehinom afterwords.) I couldn't imagine how this can be. To me depression is the most evil thing, that brings a person down in the most viscious way. What kind of tikun is that?

Recently I was zocheh to understand. Everything that Hashem gives us is GOOD, even depression. The important question is - as always, what do we do with it  This is the key to a happy life: stop thinking about what you have or don't have and start thinking about what you need to do. (That's other words for: stop living the problem; start living the solution) R' Tzadok is telling us the most genius eitzoh over here. When you feel depression, instead of getting upset about it, REJOICE - thank Hashem for finding you worthy of giving you your tikun the -relatively- easy way! Instead of getting in to a whole phase of depression be happy about it!

When I understood this I couldn't help but to picture the y"h eating himself up alive over this discovery. If we just internalize this, he's dead meat!

p.s. I agree with struggle that you should read Dov's post in im about... (and mine too)
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Re: Where I'm at 07 Sep 2009 21:27 #16406

  • jerusalemsexaddict
battleworn i apologize but i have no koach to respond at the moment
i have a pretty schedule these days thank g-d and i am EXHAUSTED
i will post tommorow how im doing but yea this topic needs alot of iyun
love from jerusalem-uri
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 09:13 #16483

  • jerusalemsexaddict
Good morning tzaddikim,
First of all,thank you battleworn for responding so beautifully and at such length even though you were so not in the mood.
I agree with you fully about bitachon helpig to remove depression.im just really bad at bitachon.im iy'h gonna start today to learn shaar habitachon of the chovos halevovos.
Regarding pain,it's true that a relationship with Hashem would make it easier to bear,but that relationship is hard to create while were so down and out.Like a bad cycle to be caught in.

Bauch hashem,the last couple days have been busier than usual.
Im involved in several chessed projects.
It feels very good to be exhausted at the end of the day because you spent the day helping people.
Im 0 days clean.
I havent been so depressed.its just that im very numb to the consequences.im just sitting here and its so easy to just click and enjoy myself for a while.
Im like eh,im a sinner anyway.
As rosh hashana approaches,im trying desperately to find some way out.
Its not that i dont like teshuva.
I mean,i dont.But thats not the reason.
I dont like davening.
I dont like the intensity of the day.
I dont like it.
Where can i go?
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:16 #16494

  • jerusalemsexaddict
im falling big time here
this is my last call for help
i have two tabs open one of them is GYE
i also have had enough of falling by myself i have my finger on the phone waiting to call a girl which i know for certain will lead to sex tonight/today.
i dont know why im posting.
i was feeling good a minute ago.
now i feel low.
uch
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:18 #16496

  • battleworn
should I call you?
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:22 #16500

  • jerusalemsexaddict
no
i wont pick up
sorry
idk what the point of posting was then
whatever
Last Edit: by Shivisi_Hashem.

Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:25 #16502

  • battleworn
URI HASHEM LOVES YOU TO MUCH TO LET YOU GO OF YOU!!! NOTHING WILL HELP!!! HE WON'T LET YOU DESTROY YOURSELF!!! FORGET ABOUT IT!!!

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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:28 #16503

  • battleworn
THE FASTER YOU GET THE MESSAGE, THE MORE PAIN YOU'LL AVOID!!! THAT'S ALL THAT'S IN YOUR HANDS!! BUT YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY PUSH HASHEM OUT OF YOUE LIFE!!!! HE LOVES YOU AND CARES ABOUT YOU WAY WAY TO MUCH FOR THAT!!!
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:32 #16504

  • TrYiNg
You know the point of posting , its bec. REALLY YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THIS!
PLS URI,THINK ABOUT YOUR SONG.
ALL THE MALACHIM , THE WHOLE PAMALIA SHEL MAALE IS WAITING TO SEE THE BATTLE OF THIS PRECIOUS CHILD OF HKBH! THEY ARE ALL WATCHING YOU . IN YOUR OWN WORDS;

Down below in this world we are in,
there is a boy whose about to sin.
But at the last second he runs outside.
He hides in a corner and he starts to cry.
....
Suddenly he feels a need to act out,
he turns to shamayim and starts to shout out.
HASHEM!You know what I really want to do,
But I wont do it,because I love you.

....
A commotion takes place up above.
It is now very clear that the angels are in love.
In whose zchus was this one born,
this mortal man who takes the heavens by storm??

Last Edit: by Evita.

Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:34 #16505

  • battleworn
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT LOVE MEANS!!! Let me tell you a little secret. I have a son that has caused me more pain than I would have ever thought possible even after having a very painful life in the past. And let me tell you -the more pain he causes me the more I love him! My heart breaks to million of pieces over the pain of his Neshomoh. YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM THE LOVE OF A PARENT!!! AND THAT'S JUST A TINY MOSHOL TO HASHEMS LOVE!!!
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:37 #16506

  • jerusalemsexaddict
okay both of your posts just shook me up especially battleworns comment that u cant push hashem away.i feel like i asked him to leave the room and now im alone.but battleworn is right thats not possible.
so im gonna take a break for a bit but im not saying that im not gonna fall.im already into it.im just taking a break.thats it./
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:38 #16507

  • jerusalemsexaddict
was that u battleworn who just called me several times on anonymous?
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:41 #16508

  • TrYiNg
Great. Don't say you wont fall . It sounds too hard. I know. Just think that you wont for the next few min. Promise yourself that no matter what, you won't fall inthe next 10 min. If thats too hard then only the next 5... Go Uri! WE BELIEVE IN YOU!

AND... PIK UP THAT PHONECALL!
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:43 #16509

  • jerusalemsexaddict
now momos calling
u guys are amazing
im sorry im not in the place to pick up the phone at the moment
im mamesh in the balance between falling and staying up
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Re: Where I'm at 08 Sep 2009 10:44 #16510

  • Momo
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I'll call you now again, but pick up the d**m phone.
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