It's almost like if I started a thread about whether or not unicorns exist, you would respond with a link to a GYE page called "Information about anonymously discussing whether unicorns exist".

Not only have you done all the work to put all this useful stuff up, but you also take the time to inform newbies like me where to find it. Thanks!

aryehtahor wrote on 28 Jan 2010 01:47:


What would be the point? (I can't believe I just did that)

There's nothing better than a pointed discussion about the tip of a unicorn's horn.


For the fun of it:
The shlah on chanukah talks about a medrash that says Shor Shehikriv Adam Harishon, Keren Achas Hayah Lo Bemitzcho. Mybe if there is a basis for taking this medrash 'Kibshutoh' than you have a source. I gotta run, so    ayin sham

shemirateinayim wrote on 28 Jan 2010 01:38:


...you called?



As far as working out in mixed gyms, I ALWAYS have a better workout in one. I can lift more and train harder because crazy me thinks (like all guys) that the super attractive "cardio bunnies" who are on the elipticals and hanging out by the pink dumbbells actually care about how manly I am when I throw around the big weights.
These half naked girls either a) have no shame and dress that way without realizing it's kinda degrading to themselves  b) have no self esteem and dress that way to catch your attention (it's a fact that girls nowadays have ridiculously low self esteem, and cunning guys exploit it, especially in college but I digress)  c) have no shame and dress that way to get your attention. Kinda sad if you think about it, so why would you want them to be so interested in you? It's not like you would take much interest in an empty person who forgot where their clothes are.

Even better than a mixed gym, even a coed college gym (yes I have trained in those before), is a serious, hardcore, gym. These are usually "officially" coed, but the lack of pink dumbbells and over-smiley 140 pound personal trainers with stupid haircuts and too many positive words in their vocabularies tends to scare off the womenfolk. I'm talking about places where there probably aren't any TVs, there's minimal cardio equipment (no women remember?) and guys who warmup their bench press with 225 or their deadlift with 400 are a dime a dozen.

You want a better atmosphere? That's it. You will be motivated more than any college gym environment could ever motivate you.

You should find one in your area.

If that doesn't work out (for logistical or financial reasons) then try to go during off-peak hours. The trainers there can probably tell you when that is and when the fewest females come in (probably really early in the morning) but you might get some weird looks asking them when the best time to avoid the girls would be.

Also, stick to the free weights. Girls tend to use machines and pink dumbbells that are pretty much worthless. They almost never use the power rack out of a baseless and irrational fear that they'll get "muscly" like the freaky steroid abusing womanoid things in the bodybuilding magazines if they god forbid lift anything that weighs more than 2 pounds.

You CAN get an intense conditioning/fat loss workout using free weights, and you'll keep your muscle mass. PM me for more info if you're interested.

kanesher wrote on 27 Jan 2010 14:34:


I think you put that very well! I was about to write something very similar.

As a matter of fact there is a rov who has a taped answer on the internet where he did permit this under certain conditions. But, as I do not believe he would like to see an "addict" do this, and anyhow it was only under a few conditions, I will not give out the link to his answer here.

shemirateinayim wrote on 28 Jan 2010 01:57:

Interesting. I saw a unicorn on a  metal  blazer button and was wondering if there would be a problem of avodas zoroh (Greek or other mythology) in wearing it. I still would rather run it by a rov of course, if I wanted to wear such a thing. But thanks for the m'm, I would mention it if I asked.

shemirateinayim wrote on 27 Jan 2010 19:48:


Go on what's the question?

The problem with internet anonymity, is that you don't even know what people look like, let alone who they are. (Among other problems that are far greater!)

First of all, I dunno what people drew from my first post, but I'm not GROSSLY overweight, as in obese. I'm just portly, you might say. I used to lift regularly in high school and got to benching 135, then said "ok I hit my goal" and proceeded to stop, get lazy, eat junkfood, get overweight, smoke cigarettes, and other unhealthy things. B'H I seem to be on a good path now, quiting porn, quiting smoking, going to the gym again, B'H. It's really exciting.

Anyway, seeing a personal trainer today so hopefully that will go well. I was in a "boot camp" class which was very good but I think I will drop out because too many women with no shame.

Listen here porky, you shouldn't take anything people say here personally, many of them just aren't civilized. And besides it isn't like anyone told you to jump off a 100 story building or something................

Haha, actually I regret to inform everyone that I'm really a 85 pound anorexic shiksa posing as a fat Jewish guy.

i am sad to report to you

i really am just jeff the big rig driver

i live in a trailer park just outside
of bardstown ky

sorry for posing as a heimishe boro park guy

aryehtahor wrote on 28 Jan 2010 19:46:


Dude, 135? Goal? Maybe for a skinny high school kid. You gotta get some meat on them bones. More muscle mass will increase your metabolism rate, for one thing. I don't know how much weight you need to lose (and you don't need to say) but it sounds like a strength training regimen with 3 days of weights and 2-3 days of conditioning thrown in per week will do the trick. But it won't work if your diet stinks.

for the record RAGE, no-one intended for him  to "jump off we just wanted him to shed the extra pounds in the stairwell, on his way up....

                                    ..............I think.

BruceWayne wrote on 28 Jan 2010 04:27:
Bruce you are crzy and great at the same time!!! How?? i aint got no freakin clue!! :D :D :D :D :D