Dear Chizkiyahu,

I love your mashal and feel bad that you were given such a troubling license by your sex ed teacher. That being said, and no offense intended to you, and any of the supporters of your wager, I think it is a terrible idea...

I think it is great to offer to donate $500 to GYE if you succeed (I myself pledged $360), but this whole Nazi contribution is a disaster. If Chas Veshalom you fall, which is relatively likely (and I hope it never happens) taking your past into account, then what happens?

Do you really keep your word and donate to the Nazis and then feel guilt much worse that the regular guilt you feel after being pogem, not charata but the negative type of guilt that only drags you down?

Or do you not keep your word, and then tell yourself that you are a super loser, for making the most asinine wager

There is no possible positive outcome if you fall, and you are setting yourself up for a situation where your fall can take you much lower than you have ever fallen

The Gemara calls it a "Chumrah di'usee leeday koolah"

Not a good idea, Not a healthy idea, not a stable idea

Just a seriously bad wager

I'm sorry to come on so strong and read my other posts and see that this is totally uncharacteristic of me, but I really feel strongly about this!

A made this wager I few days ago and so far ke"h it is has been the best technique I have ever tried.  I intend to uphold this wager, win or lose, according to the original stated terms.  Please keep the criticism coming ... as I said, it is encouraging me to take this fight more seriously than I ever have.  Every time immodest thoughts pop into my head, I think "$500 to [moderator's note: Link to hate site removed]" and I snap out of my trance.  I am running away from middle circle activity like it was a fire.

The idea still makes me nervous, but if your gonna do it -  do it Rage's way.
But what's the time limit, forever?

What is [moderator's note: Link to hate site removed]?? My filter blocks it for Hate/Violence..... :-[

-Yiddle

What about $500 to GUE if you stay clean.  $2000 if you fall!

Not that we want you to fall, but would that hurt you at least as much as giving to a Nazi hate group (which might actually be assur).  Maybe $10,000?

Read the stories on this forum OVER AND OVER again of all the people who DID hit rock bottom.  Realize THAT'S WE'RE YOU'RE HEADED IF YOU DON'T STOP.

I was treading water with a "mild addiction" for I think 20 years, acting out about once every so many weeks, unable to guard my eyes at all on the street.

What's so bad?

Until I realized... it might not be today, and it might not be tomorrow, but some day I'd eventually hit ROCK BOTTOM if I couldn't stop it.

Yiddle2 wrote on 14 Jan 2010 19:44:
If the filter blocks it out that should tell you something  
It's basically KKK, like a neo-nazi anti-jew organization

WHAT!!!! YOU CANNOT GIVE MONEY TO AN ORG. LIKE THAT!!

I think that is very selfish. At the expense of, at the very LEAST, torturing other Jews, you want to roll the dice thinking this will help you get freedom from this? I have to speak out against this. I saw there were many other offers of what you can do if you wish to do something like this. But giving money to the NAZIS ( :'( ), that is just wrong on all points besides for being selfish. Can I make a neder that I am going to kill someone if I fall? I dont want to do it so its ok!!! Please to [moderator's correction: don't] give a penny to these Resha'im.

-Yiddle

To be selfish? Do something that you wont like but WONT HARM OTHERS WITH IT. I like the idea of giving more money to GYE if you fall. But not THIS!

-Yiddle

One of the small victories I was able to achieve over this addiction this past year was that I stopped paying money for it.  I used to spend $30-$100 a month on shmutz.  Then I decided to stop paying for it.  At first it was hard, because I have an account with one of the pay sites and all I have to do is click a button to get more viewing time.  But I successfully quit paying for it many months ago, and have not gone back.

Yes, I know that was a hollow victory because there is so much free filth out there.  But, nonetheless, I was sick and tired of spending even a small sum for shmutz.  Could I stoop so low as to waste $500 on something so evil?  Not only to waste it, but to give it to people who want to see me dead?

As far as my reliability in paying this wager, whatever the outcome, I will gladly post the confirmation details of the funds transfer when the time comes.

By the way, for those who are new to this thread, here are the terms of the wager:




Many people have expressed outrage at the notion that I would put myself in a situation where I might cv"s stumble and end up supporting something as vile as [moderator's note: Link to hate site removed].

That would indeed be outrageous!  So, rabosai, WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS MAGEFA!?

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How some one can think of doing this .Its maybe called Shvicas Domim. !!! Yehereg val yaever!  Is your blood redder then another Yid blood. This is insane!!!

Chizkiyahu,

I think the biggest incentive is that, if you give to those nazis, you're dead!  > > >

I've spoken about this with non-jewish SA's and even they think you're doomed to fail and it's not a good idea.

Excerpt from a chat session:

in all honesty
I dont think it will work
I'd like to be wrong
but I don't think I would be wrong
How about this:
If he watches porn, he gets to be miserable again and if he doesn't and works the steps, he will be happy!
that one usually works
Im being a wise guy, but if the donation thing worked, I'd have used that a long time ago
itds called powerless ness
yup glorry
sure is
for me no matter the consewuences i would a/o
that is why i was powerless
exactly
if consequences
self imposed or imposed by others were enough i would not bew here
yup
<+RedWorking> same here
does this friend have the Alcoholic anonymous big book?
probably not
if he had it and read it, he'd know that would not work
i mean
i hope it works for
him
the first part of the AABB has The Doctor's Opinion
and that clearly explains the insanity of our illness
I'm no recovery guru
but I just know what has and hasn't worked for me

OMG   

RAGE I think we found you a chavrusah!

What about my idea of starving a family in EY. And you have to have the ____ to tell them that! And you gotta tell them why. And they will have a free way of contacting you to tell you what you cost them. You will also be spilling jewish blodd, but in a controlled manner. oh and part of the blood will be from YOUR face.

Halevi wrote on 15 Jan 2010 02:30:
I don't think this is proper proof. They don't understand the incentive a jew has not to hurt another.
But I still don't think it's a good idea - there are other places which you can give to which will have the same effect.Rage ATM wrote on 15 Jan 2010 04:27:
Yeah Rage, we know that. I just hope you really believe in this concept and aren't just pro it because it's the most whacked idea ever mentioned on the site. (Probably on the internet for that matter).

chizkiyahu wrote on 10 Jan 2010 22:22:


I'll make one more attempt [but, to be blunt, you don't really seem to care if anyone disagrees with your proposal.]:

Maybe you've been struggling for a long time.  Maybe for years and decades.  So haven't a lot of us here.  THERE'S A LOT MORE TO RECOVERY THAN MAKING RESOLUTIONS!!!

You're new here da**it.  [I'm only speaking so strongly because you have proposed to help nazis.  What would your grandparents say to that?  You're trying to save your own life at the expense of someone else; y'hareg v'al ya'avor--better you should die instead].

You just got here.  There's lots more tools, lots more attitudes, and lots more methods of recovery and a lot more support systems than you have ever even been able to imagine ever before in your life.

Before pledging money to kill Jewish blood, give this site a chance.

Post.  speak things out here.

Don't expect instant recovery.  It's not realistic.

BUT, at least if you stick around, you're on the right direction.

And that's really all that Hashem wants of us.  That we should be always improving.

Nobody's perfekt.