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Re: Fridays and sadness 14 Mar 2023 13:30 #393314

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Thank you chancy that's very encouraging! I look forward to the day that these sorts of images only come into my mind infrequently. 

Hatzlacha keeping your head on straight during your vacation. I went on a vacation around 5 years ago for a few days up north in Israel. I was with a family member who is less religious than I am, and I somehow felt that this made it ok for me to not guard my eyes. So while driving around I let my eyes wander all over the place, and watched a very pritzusdik movie. I feel that that experience was a big downhill turning point. After having been quite vigilant about guarding my eyes, I was totally matir it. Oy!

So stay good and clean! Plus vacation is so much more relaxing when you aren't m'shubed to the yetzer telling you to look this way and that every second. Such a nuisance let me just relax already! You know what I mean?

Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 07:40 #393373

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I'm pretty much addicted to the computer even without the superpowered draw of P. Clicking here, clicking there. News, social media and now GYE. I don't feel that the best time to really deal with this is now. I want to first get (IY'H!) to 90 days with PM and weed. Then once it will have become more of a habit to stay away from this things, with Hashem's help, and with the support of the wonderful people here (special shout out to HHM, Eerie, Vehkam, Chancy, Yosef Hatzadik, JackTheJew and everyone else who has participated in my journey so far) I want to really work on my computer usage. Get off of constantly checking the news and twitter and linkedin. And stop watching youtube videos. And stop watching movies. But l'at l'at.

But besides for dealing with the internet addiction in general, I do need to establish some boundaries now, because this stuff is distracting me at work which a) is not fair to my employer, and b) leaves me feeling bad about myself. So for today I'd like to commit to not checking my personal email, my GYE associated email, GYE, news or social media during the hours which I'm working. And then after that it'll be "mutar". I need to at least get some handle on it. Its not an excuse to say I'm working on other things so I'll just take no responsibility in this area. So Iy'h later today after I have finished working, or at least my first chunk of working hours, I'll come back here and say that with Hashem's help I controlled myself and was more productive. And if I don't succeed, I'll also post about that, about why not, and what I can do differently tomorrow.

Before I go - this morning I took a taxi to drop off my kid. The driver was kind of rude. He first tried to rip me off by suggesting a too high price, and then when I said "no, moneh" he responded "ma zeh moneh". Then he was rude about how I closed the door. When this kind of thing happens I tend to get angry and hurt. I definitely feel those emotions bubbling up inside. I would really like to not feel those things, what do I care if this guy is a jerk, it has nothing to do with me. But the fact is I do feel these things. In spite of this, I am comitted to not letting it get me down. Ok, so i got a little upset. I feel a little fire inside. It's possible the YH will try to use that fire to get me heated up in other ways too. I'm ready for you YH. If you try and tell me that that will make me feel better, or Hashem will understand, or any of your other brilliant advice, I see it coming. If I start having a tayva for garbage, I already know it's you

Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 13:39 #393380

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Here is me reporting that b'h during my first chunk of working hours I didn't go on any of the mentioned sites. I absent mindedly browsed to linkedin, but i closed in once i realized without seeing anything.

Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 13:55 #393381

simchastorah wrote on 14 Mar 2023 07:49:
I'm having an urge right now. For everything, P, M, and fantasy. I called my GYE partner but he didn't pick up. So next best thing, I'll write out my internal experience to try and find clarity and hope and the 'seam' between myself and my desire. Then maybe I'll do one of the mindfullness meditations supplied by GYE may Hashem bless them.

Where is this coming from? Firstly I am a man, and this is part of the male condition. Sometimes we have desires for sex. Big deal. Secondly, I have seen tons of porn, spent tons of time fantasizing in my life, watched plenty of innappropriate movies, read plenty of innappropriate books. So there's all sorts of garbage swimming around inside me which sometimes comes to the surface. This makes sense.

But there's more. I'm feeling sad right now. Why am I feeling sad? Maybe because it's a little rainy. The rain puts everyone into their little box, separated by the walls of water, and this reminds me of the deep loneliness I felt as a child. So I ache inside, and something from deep within cries out for connection, to not be alone. And I think oh perfect! I know how I could not be alone! I could imagine that I'm with a beautiful woman who loves me and wants me!

Oy SimchasTorah. What a scam. I'm sorry buddy, but nebach you will only feel more alone afterwards. You will only feel more sad. I'm sorry you felt so lonely as a child. Hashem should help you to one day move past it, b'mhera. Unforunately fantasy land is not going to help you. I wish there were a solution as simple as that, but there isn't. So please don't hurt yourself with this tempting thing. I promise you it won't make things better. Hang in there and it will pass.

This thing inside you that tells you the solution is fantasy, that it would be so sweet, that it would make you such a prince, he's lying. 

I think there's maybe two parts to the inner 'belief' that fantasy will make me feel the connection I crave: 1 - the yetzer hara, who sits in a very deep throne, 2 - my poor inner gullible self, who remains convinced by the yetzer's deceipt, and has so much trouble learning the truth.

To the yetzer hara I say, you're a liar, you're a snake, and I don't have to listen to you. But to my inner self, who has for so long bought into the yetzer's deceptive advice I need kinder words.

SimchasTorah, I really wish you could have that thing that you want. Of course you want it my sweet friend, everyone wants connection. And its hard and scary for you to hear this, but the truth is you have connection. Gone are the days of trauma when you really were alone. That's over. Look around you. Look, your wife loves you. You have friends who love you. You love your kids and they love you too. You can come out from your dark hiding space into the light. You can spit out this poisonous pacifier. It's part of what's making it so hard for you to hear that real connection is possible. You don't need this thing anymore. You're not alone. Tell me the words of your sadness and I will comfort you.

Woooooffff…… this is incredible and amazing to see how you took the urge and cut it into tiny pieces…!! I loved it!
On the GYE phone line, they have a section of how to deal with an urge, and this kind of technique is called “urge surfing”, mamesh like you did. They call it “out of the box technique”

thanks for sharing!

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Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 14:54 #393384

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I feel horrible now. I have a pit of anger and despair in my heart that just won't go away. I would in the past turn to fantasy, porn, masturbation, or drugs to deal with this kind of feeling. I can't get it to go away.

If I would turn to one of those things I'd feel instantly better, but worse afterwards. I have to remember that this feeling won't last forever. It never does. If I feel it again in the future I'll deal with it then. Right now I just need to deal with now. I am in so much emotional pain I physically hurt. 

Porn is not going to help me. Experience tells me that it makes me feel worse. The worse feeling makes it really not worth it to escape into it for some few minutes. I will be back to the same problem as before, but with increased self loathing and a terrible dirty feeling. I will feel less clean and clear and mess up my marriage. I don't want that. It would be crazy to choose it. There's a crazy person inside of me that wants me to do stupid crazy things, but I am not stupid or crazy. But today sucks

Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 16:10 #393388

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simchastorah wrote on 15 Mar 2023 14:54:
I feel horrible now. I have a pit of anger and despair in my heart that just won't go away. I would in the past turn to fantasy, porn, masturbation, or drugs to deal with this kind of feeling. I can't get it to go away.

If I would turn to one of those things I'd feel instantly better, but worse afterwards. I have to remember that this feeling won't last forever. It never does. If I feel it again in the future I'll deal with it then. Right now I just need to deal with now. I am in so much emotional pain I physically hurt. 

Porn is not going to help me. Experience tells me that it makes me feel worse. The worse feeling makes it really not worth it to escape into it for some few minutes. I will be back to the same problem as before, but with increased self loathing and a terrible dirty feeling. I will feel less clean and clear and mess up my marriage. I don't want that. It would be crazy to choose it. There's a crazy person inside of me that wants me to do stupid crazy things, but I am not stupid or crazy. But today sucks

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Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 16:23 #393389

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Thanks Vehkam. B'h yes I spoke with a couple of people. It was nice and helped a little. But I still feel like garbage. The bottom line is I have deep deep feelings of self doubt and low self worth, and when they get triggered it's very painful. 

Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 17:53 #393396

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simchastorah wrote on 15 Mar 2023 16:23:
Thanks Vehkam. B'h yes I spoke with a couple of people. It was nice and helped a little. But I still feel like garbage. The bottom line is I have deep deep feelings of self doubt and low self worth, and when they get triggered it's very painful. 

low self worth and deep feelings of self doubt regarding your decisons on how you are dealing with distancing or removing yourself from those specific sites,and other things like social media or drugs? 

asking to maybe see that if this is like the first week of seperations it could be it will wear off, unless you might need a subsitute replacement, like a hobby or something you enjoy. There are lists out there of ideas, I went through some of them and had a new idea of my own. 
Hatzlachah ST
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Re: Fridays and sadness 15 Mar 2023 17:57 #393397

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general bad feelings about myself from my home situation in early childhood, and later from being severely bullied. triggered today by a couple of people being not so nice to me

Re: Fridays and sadness 16 Mar 2023 03:33 #393428

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Hi ST,
im sorry for your pain. I think most of us can relate to being in some sort of emotional pain. I definitely can relate. I was in a lot of pain and sometimes still am. Check my post of perfectionism for a glance……
Anyhow, you are allowed to be in pain it’s just natural. What you need to decide right now is will you let the pain ruin your life either by escaping with bad things or by wallowing in the pain and being angry that you can’t escape by doing bad things? 
Or will you acknowledge that you are in pain and it’s valid and you are human, BUT, you are a grown Yid and you are worth more then the whole worth can calculate! And you have self respect as evidenced by your fight to win this battle and you are a good person! We can see all of that! Why can’t you! Give yourself a hug and tell yourself that it’s ok to feel pain but it’s time to move on and not wallow in it. 
Go for a run or do something intense every time you feel like this, it’ll give your brain lots of feel good hormones that will replace the addictive part of your brain that used to run away to garbage. 


Good luck brother!

Re: Fridays and sadness 16 Mar 2023 08:19 #393434

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Here is me comitting again to staying away from those same distractions during my working hours. Yesterday was really tough. I was really comitted to having a good productive day, and my painful emotions and the time I spent dealing with those emotions really got in the way. Today is a new day. I am hopeful that i'll stay more focused. Hashem help me please. 

Hopefully the embaressment of having to come say I failed at it will be enough to keep me on track

Re: Fridays and sadness 16 Mar 2023 11:27 #393436

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simchastorah wrote on 16 Mar 2023 08:19:


Hopefully the embaressment of having to come say I failed at it will be enough to keep me on track

What you mean to say is, "Hopefully the geshmak i felt on the successful days will keep me on track."
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Re: Fridays and sadness 16 Mar 2023 16:22 #393442

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B'h I avoided checking those things while working. Can't say it was particularly geshmak. But it's the right thing to do, and it feels better than doing the wrong thing

Re: Fridays and sadness 16 Mar 2023 17:43 #393447

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My dear friend, I feel for your pain, I really do, and it hurts to see you in pain and frustration. I second Chancy's words, you should really set aside a few minutes every day to look over your old posts, see how you have grown by leaps and bounds, how far you have come, how much ground you have taken from the YH, you are gevaldig! Keep reminding yourself how special you are. If you need a reminder, call me:) My friend, I don't mean to minimize your pain, only highlight your accomplishments. Keep sharing with us, we care and we want to hear
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Re: Fridays and sadness 16 Mar 2023 18:19 #393449

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Quick machshava. I went on a site where you can download pirated books. I originally discovered this site as a place to get normal books, and that is the main content available there. However, there is also P available there, and for a while was my source for getting it. As soon as I went on this site, I started feeling an urge. The power of the urge was it's subtlety. It wasn't a strong desire, it was more like a slow strong draw. I believe that it was more habit than anything. (Yes, I should not have gone on that site. I should avoid things like that.)

B'h I have been focused enough on this inyan that my "feet" didn't take me there, but with less awareness they could have. By accident almost. This is part of the power of the internet. Whatever you want just poof! It becomes as soon as you think about it. It's barely even a maasa, you can just zone out and your hands automatically just bring you to wherever you want to go. This makes it very difficult to be present, to be aware of the choices you make in general.

There are other things that we learn to do habitually. All healthy people can walk without any conscious effort. But walking doesn't make us learn to act without thinking (it probably does a little bit, but nothing like  technology.) This is because the scope of walking is much narrower. It's limitted to the ratzon to go from point a to point b. But with internet, anything that can be expressed as text, an image, audio, all of that is there to be accessed without thinking. This is a very broad scope to get in the habit of interacting without decision making. And it's very dangerous. It could bring a person to be nichshal in arayos without even getting to think about it first. But it's not just arayos, it's everything. It's bad hashkafos, k'fira, lashon hara, leitzanus. All inyanei ruach. 

Now I'm thinking about it it reminds me of a Maharal. The Maharal explains the pasuk 'chaim u'maves b'yad halashon, v'ohaveha yochlu pirya' that someone who loves speech is bound to "reap what he sows" because speech doesn't require a decision to do an action. It happens automatically from the ratzon to do it. So if he loves it, he'll be doing it. A lot of it. The internet has sort of brought everything in the world into that realm of speech. The full relationship with it is through the hands, which themselves have a koach of speech in them. A person can write, expressing his daas with his hands in a way very similar to speech with the tongue. And like the pasuk says by Yakov blessing Efraim and Menashe, that he was 'sikel es yadav' and the Sforno explains that he made his hands like they have sechel in them. Technology creates a reality where all experience, at least what can be experienced through sight and sound, is available to us in a way
similar to dibur. "V'ohaveha yochlu pirya"
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