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03 Oct 2023 17:14

future paltiel

redfaced wrote on 03 Oct 2023 14:34:

future paltiel wrote on 03 Oct 2023 05:49:
Gut Moed,
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For those who are in business or self employed, is it possible to work without a smartphone or at least without email/whatsapp or online finance apps available to you at your fingertips (and need to turn on their laptop or tablet anytime they need a technogical task performed)?
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Absolutely.
Its sometimes a gigantic hassle not to have any conveniences of a smartphone - but the benefits that I experience  far outweigh the loss of time . 

Very interesting.
Tell me please, how do you manage? Do you only check your email on your office computer? Do you tell your clients/colleagues who call you to be patient as you are currently not in the office and can not open the link? It's important for me and the others to know as there for sure is a way without.
After all, everybody managed without them 15 years ago...
Category: Break Free
03 Oct 2023 14:47

cordnoy

startinglife wrote on 03 Oct 2023 14:06:
Hi all,

just putting myself out there and asking for advice. I’ve been struggling for as long as I remember and over the last 5-6 years or so it has been terrible. I’ve promised myself a thousand times this will be the time I’ll stop. I joined GYE couple years ago but forgot about it. As a last ditch effort before I come to terms with the fact that rehab may be the only option, I’m reaching out on here. Friends, family, business, time, money have all taken a back seat to my addiction and it’s eating me up inside. 

im posting this hoping it’ll start a thread of people who have had any amount of success against this struggle, to post tips on how to help. Also anyone who can reach out to me personally to give some advice or help me out would be greatly appreciated. 

thanks all. 

here’s to the first day of the rest of my life. 

Welcome.

This entire forum is about tips of what amounts to success against this struggle; accordin'ly, don't just focus on this thread, peruse all the threads.

Godspeed
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03 Oct 2023 14:34

redfaced

future paltiel wrote on 03 Oct 2023 05:49:
Gut Moed,
.
For those who are in business or self employed, is it possible to work without a smartphone or at least without email/whatsapp or online finance apps available to you at your fingertips (and need to turn on their laptop or tablet anytime they need a technogical task performed)?
.

Absolutely.
Its sometimes a gigantic hassle not to have any conveniences of a smartphone - but the benefits that I experience  far outweigh the loss of time . 
Category: Break Free
03 Oct 2023 14:15

Shmuel

startinglife wrote on 03 Oct 2023 14:06:
Hi all,

just putting myself out there and asking for advice. I’ve been struggling for as long as I remember and over the last 5-6 years or so it has been terrible. I’ve promised myself a thousand times this will be the time I’ll stop. I joined GYE couple years ago but forgot about it. As a last ditch effort before I come to terms with the fact that rehab may be the only option, I’m reaching out on here. Friends, family, business, time, money have all taken a back seat to my addiction and it’s eating me up inside. 

im posting this hoping it’ll start a thread of people who have had any amount of success against this struggle, to post tips on how to help. Also anyone who can reach out to me personally to give some advice or help me out would be greatly appreciated. 

thanks all. 

here’s to the first day of the rest of my life. 

Welcome!

What have you already tried?
Have you tried a 12 step program? 
Category: Introduce Yourself
03 Oct 2023 14:06

startinglife

Hi all,

just putting myself out there and asking for advice. I’ve been struggling for as long as I remember and over the last 5-6 years or so it has been terrible. I’ve promised myself a thousand times this will be the time I’ll stop. I joined GYE couple years ago but forgot about it. As a last ditch effort before I come to terms with the fact that rehab may be the only option, I’m reaching out on here. Friends, family, business, time, money have all taken a back seat to my addiction and it’s eating me up inside. 

im posting this hoping it’ll start a thread of people who have had any amount of success against this struggle, to post tips on how to help. Also anyone who can reach out to me personally to give some advice or help me out would be greatly appreciated. 

thanks all. 

here’s to the first day of the rest of my life. 
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03 Oct 2023 05:49

future paltiel

Gut Moed,
Thank you for your valuable replies that contain much wisdom and determination, in a world where the average person would have a hard time understanding there actually is an issue with smartphones...
For those who are in business or self employed, is it possible to work without a smartphone or at least without email/whatsapp or online finance apps available to you at your fingertips (and need to turn on their laptop or tablet anytime they need a technogical task performed)?
Apparently in EY some Charedi cell phone stores sell these "pre-filtered" smartphones where no apps can be downloaded and the only online features accessible are Whatsapp, Waze and E-mail (just saying...
Category: Break Free
29 Sep 2023 14:24

davidt

Hi @johny
B"H you've gotten so many amazing replies and food for thought. 
If I may add one point, part of recovery (and teshuva as well) is not just stopping to do what we did, but becoming a new person by building a strong new foundation (yesod) and life structure from the bottom up. 
There is a famous quote from someone that recovered from alcohol  addiction   "The man I once was, drank. And the man I once was, will drink again. If I ever go back to being the man I once was, I will drink again."

The Rambam writes, about teshuva, the person should say, "I am no longer the same person that committed that sin" 

So back to what you've written "after having my head in the trash for the last 7 years im not so sure if i can ever get back to being clean completley" 
The answer to this is, the person you are now, might not be able to... But BE"H with the right steps and effort, you'll become a new person that can and will be strong and clean...

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29 Sep 2023 04:01

doingtshuva

Hi Johny
First welcome and thank God for finding Gye at the age of 20 still before marriage.
There isn't a bigger poison for your life and for your marriage than using porn. You will never enjoy your future wife nor sex as long you don't get clean, and I'm sorry to tell you that it can take years to clean out the radioactivity porn leaves in our brain. But don't give up!
Just wanted to share,
1, I was heavily addicted and struggling with porn from the age of 13 till 30+ and I am today Bh' free of watching porn. There is hope if you are ready to Shvitz.
2, Stop thinking what others think about you as you never know with what they are struggling. 
3, I was a maggid shiur and struggled heavily, its not a contradiction. 
4, Hashem help me is a trusted member on Gye and its worth talking to him.
5, You have to find someone you trust and share your struggles. Hiding is feeding the addiction.

Have a wonderful yom tuv 
Category: Introduce Yourself
28 Sep 2023 20:25

johny

Hello im a bocher in a top yeshiva and i have been struggling with porn since i was 13 i am now 20 and still heavily attatched even though i dont actually watch very often at all being that in yeshiva i dont have access to watch i send texts to random women to get them to text me pics or i text those 1800 numbers who auto send pics my issue is every time i see a women i think of sex and i dont see them as people rather sex also i cant stop thinking about sex even if i havent seen porn in months in my mind i play porn videos i am stuck and im tired of this whole game everyone thinks im a good bocher  but im an addict to sex 
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Sep 2023 21:26

believer1967

Sex and Porn addicts anonymous is another program that not only stops from falling, but changes the way you live life with thoughts, fantasy, etc
27 Sep 2023 12:38

somebachur

2152023 wrote on 27 Sep 2023 11:25:
This is an awesome thread. Please keep the ideas coming! My wife and I really need to work on this. 

My wife and I just started a new thing... first, we both do our best to go to bed together (at the same time. I used to stay up much later than my wife, either i was working or was mindlessly scrolling on my phone).

Second, once we are in bed, we leave our phones charging and out of reach from our beds. This way we fall asleep talking to each other instead of on our phones. It also helps improve our sleep quality and makes it easier to get up in the morning, too.

I also have monthly "cleansing" cycles where I'll go through my phone and delete any apps that I don't use on a normal basis. Also, apps LOVE to ping you all day with unimportant adds, reminders, anything they can do to make you spend more time and money on them. Mute as many notifications as you can. 

UUtilize screen time and parental controls. Set up that your phone can only be used for "x" amount of minutes per hour before you have to ask your wife to unlock it for you. And vice versa.

Write down WHY you want to minimize your phone usage. Journal daily, even just short notes, about your experience trying to minimize phone usage, and keep a log of your daily usage so you can track yourself over time. When you feel like you're struggling (which is completely normal), you'll have what to look back at to remind yourself why you need to keep fighting.

When we're trying to get rid of an addiction, it helps to have some form of healthy venue to replace the void caused by getting rid of the addiction. Take some time to think about different ways you can fill your phone void. Even better, think of ways that both you and your wife together can fill the void. Maybe go on a walk? Work out together? Bake something together (could even be for a chesed cause, especially around Y"T time).

I know this is long, and maybe a bit ADHD, but I hope there's something here that you and your wife will find resourceful. Best of luck my friend and keep fighting!!!
Category: Break Free
27 Sep 2023 11:25

2152023

This is an awesome thread. Please keep the ideas coming! My wife and I really need to work on this. 
Category: Break Free
26 Sep 2023 02:20

iLoveHashem247

Had an amazing YC! Davened with the Yeshiva I've been learning at at night and originally started with when i first moved to this town (with a short break in between learning by "the narcissist"). 

We probably woke up people a few towns over with our "amens!"

I printed out about 80% of the posts on this thread in TXT format (couldn't figure out how to do 100% - can that be a feature request? printable text versions of threads?), and reviewed most of the past year thru my posts. 

a few comments: 

Chancy, YTW and Eerie, you've given great feedback and insightful posts. there were a bunch of others as well but IDK the usernames since it didn't show up with the printing. 

Dov, your description of powerlessness was extremely powerful. The nudging toward SA instead of leaving more room for me to discover my own path was kinda "Eh," but the intentions were great 

HHM, your love, patience, and non-judgement has taught me to believe in my self and to love myself again. There's no way I can ever repay you for that other than by striving to live up to my potential. Thank you a million times over! 

and finally, to the founders and admids of GYE (formerly known as GUE), thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you for giving me my life back, and for returning the loving husband, father, son, and uncle back to his family. G-d bless you all! 

It's been a year of tremendous growth and I've had huge leaps in my knowledge of self as well as my understanding of life on life's terms. Learning to de-objectify my wife was a huge milestone. 

Additionally, i did a lot of thinking over what merit did I gain by not responding when i was publicly shamed and not taking revenge in the year that followed. I think the answer is that Hashem gifted me with a road to recovery after 15 years of dealing with addictions. I'm in AA and discovering a whole new world of growth that I never imagined possible. 

So, thank you Mr. narcissist. I wholeheartedly forgive you for your cruelty toward me and pray that you merit to do teshuvah in this world (I'm ready when you are, just pick up the phone...). Missing the opportunity to do teshuva in this world and facing gehennom instead is quite terrifying and I don't wish it on anyone, not even onto you. 

Looking forward to a year full of gifts and surprises. I'm armed with the knowledge and experience that even what may seem like tragedy (car accidents, public shaming, etc) is a blessing in disguise. 

I'm more than happy to accept blessings without disguises as well 

:*
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26 Sep 2023 02:15

Captain

Schedule for the next few days:
We will be starting Appendix A: The Yetzer Hara in Our Brain
Tuesday: Pages 345-347
Wednesday: Pages 348-350
Thursday: Pages 351-353
Friday: Pages 354-356
Yom Tov: Pages 357-360

How to know whether Appendix A is for you:
Do you relate to any of the following? (Takes from pages 351-352)
“I am a failure. The sin I just did makes me worthless. I am off the derech, exactly like those who have rejected everything. I am just as bad. I am a sinner.
    “I should have controlled myself. I could have done better. If I had just pushed myself harder, I would have won the battle. It would have been so simple for me to control myself had I tried harder, but I blew it again! I should have much more control over myself.
    “I am so ashamed. I’m embarrassed to even go near anybody. Anyone who would know what I did would look down on me. Nobody would empathize with me about my struggles, not that there is much to empathize with anyway. Everybody does much better than me. I am probably the only person who does these things. No one else sins in this area, and I give in left and right. I am messed up.
    “All the good I ever did is meaningless because I did this huge sin. I am horrible. How hard I fought and my effort to change myself is irrelevant; my sin is all that matters.
“Even though I labored and managed to control myself for the past two days, two weeks, or two months, that is worthless. I am the same out of control person I always was. All my effort was a waste; I’m just as horrible as I was before.
“Besides, any good I did doesn’t count because I was obligated to do it anyway. All that matters is falling short — which I just did when I violated my obligations.
    “I bet Hashem is furious with me. He hates me and has rejected me. It is hopeless! He will always look down on me. Even if I do teshuva, Hashem won’t accept it. It’s impossible to undo something this severe. I did it; how can I get rid of it?
    “Further, what happened is all my fault. I brought everything upon myself when I befriended those people and experimented with these sins. Had I controlled myself then, things would be so easy. If I didn’t watch those movies and hang out with those friends, I would still be pure. I activated my desires. 
    “And now that I have awakened my temptations, it is too late. I can’t stop myself. I am incapable, as I just proved. I do these things. I am an addict and I will never regain control, no matter what I do. I can’t even improve the situation. I’m doomed.”
Category: Important Threads
24 Sep 2023 04:10

bright

anonymousmillenial wrote on 22 Sep 2023 15:50:

Congratulations on hitting this huge milestone.

It seems like you had a tough journey so far, and it’s amazing that you’re standing were you are. Being able to pull through is not always easy and you seem to be doing a great job.

It also seems like your true wish is to be able to connect better with yiddishkeit, but the trauma of the past is holding you back, and making it hard for you to do so, as there is a constant resistance.

I feel like I can relate to many of your points and allow me to address some of my thoughts on them.

“I started watching movies, and saw hundreds of them…”

Regarding movies, yes, it’s something I can relate to and yes, it’s something I’ve also had to work on a lot over the past couple of years. B”H, my perspective has massively changed on movies and the taivah for watching has massively decreased. And with that a lot of the taivah for inappropriate material as well. That is not to say I never watch, but it happens much more rarely.

“I also started browsing YouTube as a mindless escape, and very often a clip of inappropriately dressed women pops in and I just watch it without feeling too guilty about it.”

Ah yes, recognize the pattern: brain numbing, too painful to care.

“From a religious point, I understand that this is against the Torah, but I have no strength to care. I am close to Hashem, I talk to Him every day, and I feel that Hashem understands my struggles, my exposure, the sexual abuse and religious abuse that I have been through, and that He loves me unconditionally.”

He absolutely does love you unconditionally and he definitely understands you. But I feel , at least for me, when I use that reasoning, that it holds me back from growth. The problem is that because of the resistance to religion, growing becomes so heavy that the natural reaction to it, is to shy away from growth. It’s important to be aware of this resistance and find a way, not to fight it, but to work through it.

“But from an addiction standpoint, If I truly want to “clean up”, I know I can’t be staring at shiksas/tic toc dances etc.

And I’m not even talking about the frum woman aspect, which I’m sure many people can relate to, I fall a lot with peeking glances at hot frum women and of course I should not be doing that, it’s feeding the beast!”

Yes, it’s true. But, I’m truly a believer in appreciating the small wins and just trying to get as many small wins as possible. Small things add up to big things.

“I know that addiction to porn and masturbation is like addiction to a drug, dopamine. I know that if I continue “feeding the drug”, even in small quantities, I will not achieve full recovery.”

True, we must change our actions. And we must also change our perspectives. I know that motivation can be sparse at times especially when everything feels so heavy.

But I am just so mixed up with it all, it’s so hard to kick, and religious ideas don’t talk to me. I don’t want to identify as an Ultra-Orthodox Jew, I wish I could leave it all behind.

I know, it can be hard sometimes, when the outside world seems so enticing. Many times I also have the taivah to dress differently and have the freedom that doesn’t come with orthodox lifestyle. What I find helps for me, is to play out this story till the end. Ok so let’s say I wear that and that. And let’s say that I do that and that. Now what. Do I feel better? Does it make me feel any different? From my experience of having given in to this ‘monster’ at times, the answer is no. It’s like a feeling of “That’s it? Like, I thought there would be more to it?”. Perhaps the first second is a nice feeling of freedom, but tachlis this specific action doesn’t provide any sustenance.

“As part of the backlash of what I’ve been through, I’ve delved into Jewish history and have read stuff from non-traditional (read: non censored) sources, and I’m scared to death of the path open before me…I see corruption, dysfunction, and abuse and a load of BS in our “system”, and coupled with the experience I had been through, it makes me want to run away from it all!!”

No ’system’ or ‘framework’ is perfect and you’ll always find reasons to fault a framework. But I believe it’s better to be inside a ‘broken’ framework (I’m not talking about extreme cases of abuse), than to have no framework at all. People naturally crave a system, and it’s healthy to be in a framework.

“I feel trapped in my religious identity, not sure how to find solace and clarity, how to find a steady voice in my head to see through all the BS and serve Hashem as a true servant as I’m sure He wants me to be.

I feel trapped in the loop of feeding the little monster in my brain and I sometimes feel so alone and sad because even ideas, insights, and encouragements make me crazy.”

I know, and it's so painful and hard. And especially because you want to move upwards and yet there is part of you that just doesn't want it. It's like, "stop fighting me so hard". Perhaps a suggestion would be to find something really light and enjoyable to help you reconnect. I don't know if this talks to you at all. It's merely a suggestion for finding an entry point to reconnect.

“In any case, I hope to continue documenting these little ups and downs, and I look forward to continuing to be part of this amazing forum!”

Looking forward to reading more about your journey and really wishing you an amazing new year with lots of inner peace and joy.

Yours truly,

AM


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