Sorry to get off the track of the Vayimaen issue - not sure I have what to say about that one - But this is my first time reading this thread and I just wanted to share with you True_Self that reading your plan I am inspired by your incredible, persistent and ruthless pursuit of connection in the face of the struggle of addiction.
Informing two friends of tough times, another one for daily check in, a third random friend to chat and then finally your wife - what a lineup!!!
Not only that - I'm blown away that you held on to that even when you weren't getting through. For me, when I can't get through it's right off the cliff.
Just pretty amazing stuff! And you've come back from the brink quite a few times too - I'm tempted to  pick up the phone and break my fear of reaching out because of you.
Chazak V'ematz and thank you m'umka d'liba

Dear connected, tell me something and be honest. 
If you had to choose between the two which one would you choose? 
1. Th freedom to look at porn and masturbate wherever and whenever you choose, without any consequence whatsoever? 
2. The freedom never to be pulled or interested in any sexual activity?
Of course there is a healthy middle ground, but that is a very tight rope for many of us.

I would 1,000 choose option 2. I have thought about this at length. Im as serious as a heart attack. I am willing to forgo any sexual pleasure for the rest of my life if i can be free of this addiction. If there would be a pill i would take it. So even when im in the throws of a lust attack, i know for sure that i would rather not have this at all and that makes it somewhat easier.

Hi brother. You’re doing good.

How about we do a live session right here right now?

No more C and P and M

Say with me
“Cornongraphy” (hardcore of course)
“Pornography”
“Masturbation”

How did that feel?
Not too bad. Ok great!

I used to M and p at least once a day, a lot of days like 2-3 times a day, some times would literally spend a whole day watching and M all day till I couldn't for the day. I did this since I was 12. I've started this approach about 4 months ago.  So it takes some time to knock out everything.

I've been free from P for a few months now, Bec I have absolutely no way to get to it. Regarding M, it's very tricky because I can M to any picture on any website. so what I do is any time I M, I take that item and make sure I never have access to it again. I have removed all access to Internet search from all my devices except for the one I'm using right now which is almost completely blocked. 

To your question about things you can't obliterate. So for me whatever the cost, loss, or inconvenience is I don't care I completely remove it. so I haven't had anything yet I couldn't get rid of. 

​As an addict, I need to completely remove myself so I can stay sober and start my healing process.

I'd like to share an amazing story that happened to me last night. I had a dream about doing the act and knew in the dream that it would be a wet dream. I woke up and said to myself, no I'm not feeding the satan my seed and controlled myself and went back to sleep.

​I can promise you I don't know where this power came from, I never ever had this self control. I believe it's help from GD along with my part of tackling this the right way.

chancy wrote on 24 Oct 2023 15:27:

I have been told, but you're right, not enough.
Thanks for reminding me and making me squirm uncomfortably in my office chair far, far away from you - or could be next door.

Dear Connected, 
I dont know if you have been told, and if you were told it was probably not enough. 
YOU. ARE. FUNNY...... I can always count on your posts to make me laugh. 
Lightheartedness in general and laughter in particular has proven to be a major antidote in fighting addictions, as it makes the problems seem smaller and less daunting. 
Please keep on making us smile, and dont forget to smile yourself.......

Love 
Chancy

Iwannabegood wrote on 23 Oct 2023 14:05:

I have been down that road many times. I sell or throw away a device out of shame and guilt and once that passes, I run to the store and get another one. Maybe someday it will stick..... You have to keep trying 

Hey, I also recently started having that same view in my head and also found it very helpful. It makes it easier in a way once I started calling myself an addict to totally clear things out and also be ready to give so much more to pass different tests (taking time off of seder to exercise).
Great ideas and great chizuk, thanks!

If you constantly remind yourself why you dont have the devices, and you embrace the fact that you dont want or need them, you could do it. It might be an extreme step so think it through long and hard. If you feel that you cant do it, there's no shame in that. But figure out a plan

Ull end up buying a new 1 in a week or 2

Very True.. If I get rid of my phone, computer, iPad etc... Will that save me or will I just find another vehicle to fuel my fall? Need to build up myself! Great point.

Sounds awesome, I love the approach!

As Cordnoy and Vehkam are referring to, it is great to get rid of the pitfalls, that is a critical firststep.

The next step would be to build up your strength, your defenses, your warrior attitude, for the times you may inadvertently bump into a trigger or pitfall. You will be prepared to slay and conquer!

Adam2014, to paraphrase your insightful words "porn isn't the only porn"
or as hashemhelpme has once told me, ‘lo sasuru‘ was said about women not porn. (no that doesn't mean porn is ok, you sick addicts)

So basically all are in agreement that this is something that should be done, even though it's not enough on its own.

First off, Congrats on your progress. That is amazing! I felt that I had to comment on your approach. If a drug addict had his pockets full of cocaine, what are the chances he would stay away from it? Slim to none! That is sooooooo true... That is the way I feel about my smartphone. I am also an addict and I have that proverbial  loaded gun in my pocket everyday... If I take your approach that the next time I fall and the phone is the weapon, than the phone must go. "regardless of the inconvenience or cost". If it is the iPad or Laptop.. they go as well. So if I want to keep these devices to use for positive and real reasons, than I must not use them for filth.  I love that approach. 

One and Done! You screw me up and you become dead to me! 

Thank you so much and continued success