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21 Feb 2017 08:03

Singularity

Do you have whatsapp
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20 Feb 2017 23:42

shmulke18

Anyone willing to Email me or google hangout, or text me if possible, just would like if some more people would text me, Thanks!
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20 Feb 2017 19:11

eslaasos

MayanHamisgaber wrote on 20 Feb 2017 17:15:
Dov I have seen you say many times that these fake names are not real fiends.... 
Forgetting addicts or not I have been helped through these people alot is this a blanket rule or just your' statistical judgment? 

When you say you have been helped, do you mean that they helped you get through a rough moment, or they helped you make real, long-term changes?
20 Feb 2017 17:15

MayanHamisgaber

Dov I have seen you say many times that these fake names are not real fiends.... 
Forgetting addicts or not I have been helped through these people alot is this a blanket rule or just your' statistical judgment? 
20 Feb 2017 17:12

MayanHamisgaber

nice to see you postin agin
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 16:49

cordnoy

Gevura Shebyesod wrote on 20 Feb 2017 16:24:
I guess i'll need my own jellybean forum 

I'll always be with you, especially because I hate/despise the black ones. As a matter of fact, I'm not really fond of any.
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 16:24

Gevura Shebyesod

I guess i'll need my own jellybean forum 
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 15:57

GrowStrong

Sorry GS (twin :p) But you have gone too far and stepped over the line with this.
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 15:11

Gevura Shebyesod

I actually like all of the above. And don't forget the black jellybeans
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 14:54

Singularity

nobody else's chulent? heavens alive!
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 13:42

Markz

Powerful Powerlessness: Everything is in your hands; nothing is in your hands

Dov wrote on 23 Oct 2012 21:50:
I do not know where to post this sweet thing I read from Rav Avigdor Miller zt"l, but it applies so deeply to the recovery derech I was taught in 12 steps (SA) that I just had to post it somewhere:

Everything is in your hands; nothing is in your hands


We see that there are so many fronts on which a man has to constantly exert himself. He has to guard his health constantly. He has to constantly be on guard regarding his personal relations with people. He should be careful not to talk carelessly, to not become angry. He has to guard his finances.
Then, after doing all the things on his own behalf -- after trying his best to be healthy, to live peacefully with people, to have Parnassa (livelihood); after all these efforts -- he is expected to say to Hashem, "Everything comes from Your hand." [As we say in the Shemoneh Esrai three times a day,] "Baruch atah rofai cholai amo Yisrael, "You are the One Who keeps me well." [And right after that we say,] "You are the One Who gives me Parnassa."
That is the great test to which everyone is subjected. The loyal Jew has two different tracks, and he has to constantly think about both and maintain his equilibrium.
How do many people solve this problem? They do so by ignoring one or the other. They go about their business as if everything was in their own hands. They merely do lip service to the other principle. Or, in some rare cases, they trust in Hashem and do not do what is necessary for themselves. But the tzaddik is expected to do both things, and to do them perfectly and at the same time. One should not contradict the other or encroach on the province of the other...
Life is not simple at all. We are constantly between two forces. Our happiness is in our hands. All our relationships -- to our family, to society around us, to our employers, to our neighbors -- are in our hands. Our health is in our hands. At the same time, we have to understand that nothing is in our hands...
It is remarkable how much of our happiness depends on us. (Rav Avigdor Miller on Emunah and Bitachon)


Dedicated For The Refuah Shlemah Of Meir Leib ben Sarah


This is very close to how I live with the idea of powerlessness - yet taking responsibility for taking actions of recovery. Some mistakenly say that following the 12 steps means a risk that the addict may absolve himself of personal responsibility. It - recovery for an addict - is exactly like parnossah for all Jews. All in our hands and yet totally out of our hands.

Teshuvah does not need to be that way, as it can be all in our hands - but Teshuvah is not the way addicts get and live clean. Addicts who actually use the ideas in 12 steps do depend on G-d completely...but the steps are full of action! Just like Parnossah al pi din Torah. For addicts, recovery is completely in the realm of parnossah and health. It is about our survival in Olam hazeh - not about our Olam haboh. And we play the game that Rav Miller describes to the tee, one day at a time.

That is a very important distinction, I think. Thanks for helping me see that and write it here.
Category: BEIS HAMEDRASH
20 Feb 2017 13:38

GrowStrong

I like Kugel, chulent (my wifes), herring and kichel and candy and shnapps.
You actually making me a bit hungry.
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 13:31

Singularity

Don't worry I also like herring. I'm tier-2 homogenous.
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 13:18

Shlomo24

Once we are dividing GYE, we should do it more! I like cholent and Cordnoy likes kugel. Watson likes herring and Singularity likes kichel. Mark likes candy and Gevura likes schnapps...

Ultimately, GYE is focused on what brings us together, not what separates us.
Category: What Works for Me
20 Feb 2017 10:23

GrowStrong

In summary to this thread you can be addicted without being an 'addict'

Most people who come here are having difficulty stopping.

That makes them 'addicted'. It doesn't necessarily make them 'addicts' though.

So maybe we should redefine - Addicted Addicts and Addicted Non-Addicts.

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