Markz wrote on 17 May 2017 16:19:

Addict

GrowStrong wrote on 17 May 2017 15:38:

I'd probably create 10 websites before calling myself THAT!

Guys relax it's just a joke between GS and Karl

Markz wrote on 17 May 2017 15:21:

MarkZ
Why don't you just admit that you are powerless over GYE
And then you can also call yourself an addict!

Mesayin wrote on 17 May 2017 14:53:

You make sense!
Its already there...

On your computer please look at top right of the page where it says "go to prevention site"...

I assume that of all of the addicts who are here, most had no idea that they were an addict when they came here (myself included). I needed to come here without realizing if.

Then there are those who are addicts but won't admit it (which is fine). They need to come to a mixed forum too.

 Then there are those who are indeed non-addicts. They probably don't need the site anyway since there is a lot of literature, shurim etc available today in the public. If they do come they will probably gain from listening in anyway.

Markz wrote on 16 May 2017 21:09:

Here might be couple of compelling reasons, take it or leave it:

1. For non addicts some material on this site may actually detrimental, to go in detail about how human nature of this addiction can be disturbing and detrimental to them. All they need is a nice piece of Ohr Hachaim on the parsha about kedusha and about dopamine, etc... There is a reason why inderheim in Europe no one discussed this issues. Let's face it, someone who comes to this site will sooner or later read about something he shouldn't.

2. Since the split site will have different name (like shmiraseinayim.kot) then someone who just wants to learn about shmiras einayim will not need to be ashamed to go that website. He will be able to tell his wife, Rabbi, friend, mother-in-law about it without fear of their suspicion unlike GuardYourEyes. 

Shlomo24 wrote on 17 May 2017 12:26:

So what I understand you really meant (and correct me if I'm wrong):

A high self esteem "alone" will not help someone overcome addiction. However you admit that a high self esteem may give more serenity, which means a low self esteem cause less serenity.

Have you met someone with little serenity that has overcome addiction?  

cordnoy wrote on 17 May 2017 02:26:

True - just saying if at some point a person says ok I really better stop or slow down my habit and he simply cannot- that frustration is a definite downer.

yiraishamaim wrote on 17 May 2017 02:19:

If the behaviour is egged on by the ego, how would repeating such behaviour bring is to realize that the high esteem is the cause of the problem?

yiraishamaim wrote on 17 May 2017 02:19:

Feelin' bad does not necessarily equal low self esteem.

cordnoy wrote on 16 May 2017 14:55:

I understand that a person who begins to act out even on a regular basis may well have either  a high or low self esteem. However, wouldn't most  yeshiva trained guys feel at some point bad about their behavior? Once they realize they truly cannot stop their self-esteem must plummet. 

Markz wrote on 16 May 2017 22:16:

Couldn't have said it better. There are some people which, (I know I can get into trouble for calling them that), are IMHO immature. They come on to the site, expecting someone to provide them a quick ready to use solution to get rid of IT. Half the times they cannot define what they mean by "IT".
They don't expect to walk in to a suit store and walk out 2 minutes later, with a custom made suit fitted to their size. However they somehow expect GYE to have the solution right away, so that they can continue on with their life. Perhaps even so that they can continue lusting... 
This is a life changing program and needs lots of work to even get started. You have to let thoughts settle in, before you even figure out what size suit you are. Afterwards you can start the modifications, and customizations. 
It personally took me 4 years of just lurking on the site without getting really involved to get to brutally know myself and what works for me.
At the most, I would recommend a disclaimer: "If you do not feel comfortable with any idea suggested to you, Please contact an experienced person (perhaps Dov) to discuss it through before implementing."

Problem number 1.

Some people say the wrong thing at the wrong time to the person seeking help.

2. If you are not honest about yourself then you can't get help.

lionking wrote on 16 May 2017 22:07:

Something like that.

I believe I and others said more than enough on this thread. Please start from page 1
Mesayin wrote on 16 May 2017 21:56:

Another great idea

But we first need to create a problem
Do you know what the problem is, so that we can determine the best solution?

I firmly believe it's not a "Addict" vs "Non Addict" problem

IMHO what I gathered from Reb HHM It's a problem of levels of listening aptitude

Some guys need more time than others

Ok - I got it!
NOW I SEE A PROBLEM

SOLUTION?

So we need a separate website called
"GYE FRESHMAN"

Who decides who gets access, and who graduates?
There's other questions...

Bigger question is what is wrong with gye as it is?

If there's someone that needs calling out, why don't we do so today, as you'll have to do on the "Freshman" website regularly...