sheleg wrote on 28 Jun 2017 00:17:



cordnoy wrote on 28 Jun 2017 17:34:

I beg to disagree

The last line of his clarifies his intention 

I'll consider this an extension of the Depressed person's chill spot until moderator give me permission to end this thread

(As a regular user I only know how to shut a thread, not individual posts)

I don't know why you guys are all ice skating around this guys posts
HHM you always have secret info, but according to what I know from the forum there's no basis for what you said 

I resent telemarketers especially the local number ones because they interrupt the workflow

Sheleg is another telemarketer
Enjoy his ride 

Keep On Trolling

And does all that stuff keep sober? 

Sobriety means basically not acting out. For example Thank God, i have 375 days of sobriety. Which means i havent masturbated, or had sex with anyone else in 375 days. 

Recovery means growing so for me my program includes writing fear and resentment inventories to get rid of all that junk in me. Making ammends to people i have harmed. Calling other program fellows. Going to meetings. 

Eventually, with God's help, i will grow and see change in myself, which i have, amazingly. 

sheleg i look at porn or currently sex chats as pretty girls

im a new user to gye

u r right

By get me today, I mean,
1)that today when i walk around in the street i see that I'm looking at women in a way of הסתכלות and not  בדרך הבטה בעלמא 
2) I feel an extra push to search online for entertainment from the other gender.

i'm humble in front of the more experienced people on this site so if I'm off, please tell me so but if what I say can be a derech (although not ur derech) please tell me so too

What does sobar and recover means? To me it means I'm able to function today without walking around and looking (but with a paying attention to their sexual demeanor which for other it will seem like looking but in truth it's more of a steer מסתכל) at women in a lusty (if that's a word) way.

the reason way I would walk around that way is b/c 1 physically I'm out of balance 2 I'm not mentally balanced, 

so by eating well sleep well that should fix my physical problem and by calling up a friend will fix my loneliness and by learning chovas halvovas that will change my mindset, it will tell me what thinking straight means in a very practical way. 
For those of us that were blessed with  כוח העיון and can learn something and be מתבונן deeply into it when you (that person) does so it puts that persons mind in a different state of mind and doing so with chovas halvovas it just puts u in a whole different place (being caught up by lust, it's an urge in the heart that creeps up to ur mind that tells you that I need this thing p** in my life)

2 points. 

What do you mean by "trying to get me today?"

So doing all those things is going to help you recover? If you are truly an addict eating right and sleeping is going to help you but its not going to help you become sober and recover. 

I'm not sure if I understood u correctly.
u write "so what are you doing today for recovery?" 
What I'm doing is that I'm checking if my lust addiction is trying to get me today! Now if today my lust addiction is working extra hours, so I'll need to battle it with my armor which be"h will be first checking in with myself if I ate today in a healthy manner if I slept the past night the amount i need, and will be calling a family member or friend in order to socialize in a healthy way and learn a chapter of chavas halvovas which teaches me how to serve hashem in a human way.

Great so you have a strategy of something you may do when lust hits but for me when lust hits thats probably too late. I need to "prepare" my self and by that i dont mean put on your armor. Because if i am watching how i am feeling and writing inventories on fear and resentment then i wont lust. But when there is a lot of turbulence inside me then i start seeing myself look around for lust hits. So what are you going to do today for recovery? 

I am going to write inventories, make calls, go to a meeting

To me a big game changer in my process of recovery (which I'll be"h put in use when time comes although I'm now using it mildly, but it will be put to test when the nisayon really kicks in, may hashem not bring me to that nisayon) is by defining the problem by lust not s** which feeds of fantasy, viewing women as an object of my pleasure, (and since jewish women dont get down so low, so I have to go to Hollywood, movies, singers, p** sites and all that garbage) and to that is the commonly problem that people (including me) have with shabosim, chasunes, that when a woman goes all dressed up, it awakens ur lust urge; and that's what the torah says לא תתורו and connect it with לבבכם and it says  בעין רואה והלב חומד and they are תרי סרסורי and realize that it says חומד which can mean lust.

according to the above why do they call it sa when in essence it should be called la?

but what I take out from the above, is that a person needs constantly put his finger on his lust pulse.

if anyone agrees or disagrees or has what to add please speak up.

Markz wrote on 28 Jun 2017 17:09:

While I might share  your sentiments Markz 
I think a chilling out is in order for you and let the man breathe a little 
Sheleg seems to have gotten the message so let us give him his space for a little to recalculate his life.

sheleg wrote on 28 Jun 2017 15:57:

This is a decent first post.
I have what to say on every line, but I won't.

I'm no gibbor (name was taken already), and I don't use the "koveish es yitzro" tactic.

Thanks for stickin' around.

sheleg wrote:


Oh, I thought you were Presbyterian

sheleg wrote:


Some hot holy waters should do the trick and your nose may start melting One Drop at a time

sheleg wrote:


That advice was unwarranted
This is the last call


sheleg wrote:


It doesn't exist and you have no benefit in hibernating on gye for your current mindset, a hot cuppa coffee awaits you on YWN

Please share what recovery step you took today or else this thread will simply have to join your igloo and freeze at 9pm tonight

Mark Iceberg

i am uncomfortable with the GYE derech to solving lust addictions.
This kovesh es yitzro method is too painful to those of us who are not giborim.
I would like to find an easier method to curing my addictions then what GYE offers.
I am jealous of the Orthodox Jewish woman.
she seems to be free of lust without much work.
What is the secret ingredient that keeps a bais yacob yeshiva graduate a prude ?
While we orthodox men can't control lustful desires.
it's not fair !!
and no one seems to care.