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03 Nov 2017 10:49

Amz61

Hi
Hi all,

I am new to GYE, but it appears that I am not alone in this fight against the yetzer hara with regards to this addiction.  Even though, my 90 day chart says I completed 1 day, it's actually been 5, BH.  I am pleased with the support and the tools given here, and I am confident that with the proper motivations, we will all indeed succeed. 
Unfortunately, someone may have to tell my soon to be ex-wife that, but I am confident that I will move on to bigger and better things.
Category: Introduce Yourself
03 Nov 2017 08:32

Jonathan

Hi Everyone,

My name is Jonathan and what I want to do in this post is share some insights that I think may be important for a lot of you and then offer a weekly conference call that will discuss these ideas further. Just a warning in advance - this is long post, but I do hope a worthwhile read for many…

To start this off, I want to say that I have been part of GYE for many years now, primarily helping men who struggle with SSA (same-sex attractions). Part of that help involves me giving a 12-cycle call for 45 minutes once a week. These calls have evolved from when they began and that is actually largely because I too have evolved. And it’s this evolution that has helped me realize recently that there’s more I could be doing for all of you on GYE, not just those struggling with SSA.

To elaborate further, when I began my calls, I was only familiar with Life Coaching techniques to approach these complicated issues such as SSA and addiction. However, over the past several years, I started a Masters in Social work and began learning therapeutic approaches to helping people. Coaching and therapy share the common goal of wanting to help individuals improve their lives, but they do it differently. Coaching offers practical, here and now tools, and a Life Coach typically has a set of insights and assumptions about how his client will heal the moment he walks into a session. In a sense, the 12-steps is a Coaching approach - there are set of steps each person should take in order to overcome an addiction, and the primary mindset is that if each person does each step, they hopefully will see success finally reaching their goals to become sober.

Therapy differs from this because it believes each person has a unique life, a unique struggle, and therefore a unique way they would then have to heal in order for them to finally achieve peace. Good therapists do their best to make their office an unconditionally accepting space for the client to deeply explore and learn about himself. As the client and therapist learn more about the client in such a setting, with the help of a secure and trusting connection, solutions for healing begin to become clear, and the client on his own actually starts to organically make positive life changes. The therapist too may then also be better equipped to offer insights and advice that are more personalized, because he now deeply knows his client. A therapist at this point may even then suggest 12-step meetings or other potentially effective tools. It is actually at this juncture that I think therapists will turn on more of coaching role at times. The difference though is that the coaching comes later and is more individualized because it takes into account the client self-discovery that came beforehand.

This means that therapy is more of a process. And often, in this process, positive changes often occur later after the therapist gets to know the client and the client better knows himself. And this can take a lot of time too, as well a investment, energy, courage, and overcoming a lot of risks. It may seem simple thinking about it, but having the ability to uncover all the different parts of ourselves, and then have the ability to deeply understand it all is not easy. This is especially because we have parts of ourselves that hate being seen and known. We have parts of ourselves that want to stay hidden, perhaps because they are familiar with shame and rejection, and are too afraid they’ll experience that again if they were revealed. We have parts of ourselves that actually like to hide other parts of ourselves. For an example: We may have a child-like part that went through incredible pain, hurt, abuse or other forms of wounding growing up and never had healthy support letting go of the suffering this pain caused. And another part of us may be really familiar with that suffering, and reacts to it by doing a lot today to help us hide, repress, or deny that suffering so we do not have to feel it anymore. This is what I mean having a part of ourselves that hides another part. And a part like this may also be hiding our pain by pushing us to seek alternatives to pain, and ways to escape it so we can “live life” and not have to experience suffering any more. In other words, we have parts of ourselves that are actually actively trying to protect us from past pain AND we have parts of ourselves that are still experiencing and extremely familiar with that pain. This whole system of parts is simply not easy to understand and know. But the reality is, we have many different parts of ourselves that live in each and every one us and they impact our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors in so many different ways.

Let me now say something that may sound really radical: when we struggle with sex addiction, we may be really experiencing a part of ourselves that is trying to PROTECT us from deep, unresolved suffering caused by pain. And yes, this means that this part of ourselves may actually have positive intentions by trying to help protect us! And really with that in mind, it is not the part itself, but its methods and actions for protecting us, that are destructive, bad and unhelpful.

And yet, so many of us hate the entire addict part inside of us. We shame it. We abuse it. We wish it wasn’t there and constantly go into battle mode at trying to subdue this “rasha” “yetzher horadik” “disgusting” part of ourselves. We may consider it simply a challenge from Hashem and that’s it, without seeing it from any other angle. And what we may be doing here is actually defining our addict part by it’s actions alone. Since this part clearly does bad, well then it must also be bad or a challenge from Hashem, and nothing else. And so we fight it. We battle it. We strengthen our good parts - like our religiously observant part, by then learning more Torah or davening really hard, hoping with all of the good we will simply override this “evil” part of us that is making us sin. Or we may go to groups or meetings, and imagine that the higher our sobriety number, the stronger ammunition we’ll have in us to demolish this “unsober” truly evil part of ourselves. Or we’ll just do things to try and avoid the addict part all together. We will begin to act like it really is not there, and rationalize the times it appears as just blips in the radar.

Whatever we do in these cases, we are not accepting AND understanding this very real addict part of us. We are not bringing it into light and seeing it for what it really is. We are not learning from it, and seeing why it is truly in our lives. We may be making a lot of assumptions about it and judging it in all sorts of ways. But again, we are not getting to know it, and letting it talk and speak to us. We are not letting it tell us whether it is trying to protect us from pain. And we are certainly not seeing all the work it may be doing to try and protect us from pain. This then does not give us the opportunity to then see any of the real, unfortunate, deeper hurting child parts of ourselves that are still suffering from pain. We do not get a window into all of that pain because the protector parts of ourselves do not trust us to handle it - after all, we already are doing great job at shaming, condemning, and judging the addict part of ourselves - why would that protector part actually then let us see our younger pained parts that are suffering when we could then do the exact thing to them and make the pain worse!?

In these situations, some of us may end up becoming really good at going to battle with ourselves and subduing our “evil,” addict parts enough that they no longer show up in our lives. And yes this actually takes a lot of work, and work that often needs to maintained for a lifetime. But many of us may be happy accepting that challenge and living in battle mode until we die. And I truly respect these people. I think they are incredibly strong and if that is what is working for them and creating peace and success for them, then I applaud it.

However, I also think many of us struggle or ultimately will struggle with living in this constant battle. I think there are so many of us that deep down need to face their pain and resolve its suffering. I think many of us do at times find success battling our addict, but we then find that we are not winning the war, and may be worried whether we ever will. As a therapist, I want to say to all of you that you can learn to see this part of you instead and give it some light. You can sit with it, instead of shame it, and learn why it’s in your life. You can have a dialogue with it to actually understand why it’s giving you desires to act out, and in this dialogue, you may even begin to find ways to work with this part of you so it helps you achieve your goals, instead of work against them. And then I believe you can become strong enough to face the real pain and suffering the addict part of you may have been trying to protect from you this whole time. YOU can be the one to see, accept, understand, and then care for that pain. And then, as a Life Coach, I want to say to you that you can then know and discover the right tools that will work for you to help you heal the suffering. With your knowledge about yourself and your own unique pain, you may discover that you need the 12-steps, or if you are already there, how you can make 12-steps even better for you! Or you may discover that you need a whole other tool all together - or a combination of both. Whatever tools you take on, you can do so knowing a lot more about yourself first.

And you can do all of this from a sense of Self that is much more accepting and willing to face all of these protecting and pained parts. You can do this from a Self that has unconditional love and care for YOU - A Higher Self, or true soul-like essence, that I believe is actually already in you and connected to Hashem. A Self that is willing to shine light on everything within you and face it all - both the protectors and the pain. A Self that does not want to battle anything in you, but simply wants to understand it all with the intent to give healing and peace.

My calls for SSA used to speak about matters in a coach-like way and gave off the impression that if strugglers do steps A, B, and C, their conflict with SSA will resolve itself. But this isn’t always what happened with individuals that I met who were following my approach. And then as I evolved more into a therapist, I took a step back from a lot of what I was saying, and realized I need to develop calls that present a framework that makes more space for all of the many different kinds of individuals that face this struggle and that also recognizes the many different ways individuals will ultimately find peace. Today, I still present a specific framework, but it has been expanded so that SSA is never defined by one specific way of thinking and I now frequently encourage participants to pursue a therapeutic space where they could better understand all the parts of themselves more effectively, especially their SSA, than just through a 12-cycle call.

I do think a lot of GYE could benefit from evolving in the same way. I think many of us need to face our struggles more deeply than just by relying on an already pre-determined set of tools, such as forums, groups, meetings, calls, etc. Please don’t misunderstand me and think that I am saying these tools are not helpful - indeed they are! And I know they have been life-changing for so many here. However, I do think for a lot of us, these tools sometimes neglect other parts of ourselves that still need attention and care. And when this happens, we can continue to store pain deep within ourselves, and we can then continue to feel a reliance on protectors, such as our addict, that immaturely try and save us from this pain. This also ultimately prevents us from deeply knowing and accepting ourselves, and instead we stay in an eternal battle deep within for the rest of our lives. In short, I think we really do owe it to ourselves to at least consider a path where we achieve inner-harmony with the parts of ourselves that do bad things, and not believe that our only path to success is on an internal battlefield.

And so with all of this said, I want to offer to continue this discussion in the form of a weekly conference call. I would very much welcome speaking more about these ideas with all of you, and why and how this type of therapeutic exploration into ourselves can be incredibly powerful and necessary for many of us to reach our goals. I would also focus on the goal of moving past sexual addiction and living a healthy sober life, but I think the content of the calls would certainly apply to any interpersonal struggle. And yes, these calls will be just a tool, which I would make clear from the beginning. They will not replace therapy and I do not think they will solve all your struggles. But as a tool, I think they will be helpful one, and hopefully effective at opening your eyes and directing you to therapeutic resources, should you discover that you need them to move forward.

In order to make this happen, I want to first see whether there is any interest in a call like this. Please express your interest to me by either replying to this thread, or sending me an email at jhoffmantherapy@gmail.com.

I know this was a long read, and I hope to that those who got to the end found it helpful. I look forward to seeing where this goes and welcome any questions, feedback, thoughts etc. here in this thread as well, or to the email above I provided.

May we all have nothing but Hatzlocha Raba moving forward in our journey!

-Jonathan

Category: Break Free
03 Nov 2017 05:17

eli613

Thanks for welcoming me back. My indication of paying for a sponsor was just my way of expressing how desperate I am to find a sponsor. I don't sign on very often but if anybody can point me in the direction of finding a sponsor, I would really appreciate it. Thank you!
Category: Introduce Yourself
02 Nov 2017 23:48

serenity

Aside from the fact that it is an aveira there is no reason to stop, unless you are like me and my other friends above who want to live happy joyous and free from addiction. If I wasn't frum and it wasn't an addiction for me I'd be fine with it. It's even considered healthy today. 
Category: Break Free
01 Nov 2017 14:14

Workingguy

Path of life wrote on 23 Oct 2017 16:38:

GrowStrong wrote on 23 Oct 2017 06:28:
my life changed when i learned i was sick getting better and not evil trying to get good.
Do you think you moved past the point of bechira into something akin to an addiction?

What is the fine line between Bechirah And an addict?

The line would be whether you can actually choose not to act out or whether basically every single time when faced with the opportunity, you will act out.

The only thing that matters with that line is what you have to do. Because if you’re the first type-where you can choose not to if you want to- then your job is to set yourself up in a way that you’re making the right choices.

And if you’re at the point that you can’t do anything about it and always act out, then your job is to get help.
01 Nov 2017 12:51

Hashem Help Me

You deserve to live! And all three of you deep down agree to that. The ehrlicher guy should get more and more ehrlich. The addict should have a refua shleime. And the anxious/social guy should find peace.
Category: Break Free
01 Nov 2017 12:40

mikestruggling

Thanks mayan
so I am 24 days sober i noticed it's getting harder and easier at the same time. i have this mental thing telling me i deserve to masturbate i've earned it. but of course "for us to lust is to die" and no one deserves to die.
i've also noticed that in the past there were three "Mikes" Mike the ehrlicher guy (who really really means it). Mike the addict (if he had his way...). and Mike the emotionally unstable guy (anxiety socially off).
So we held a meeting to discuss whether or not we are all one person one said yes one said no and one abstained... 

just kidding

now we're all learning to get along the more i'm in program the better they all are doing.
Category: Break Free
01 Nov 2017 06:32

Hashem Help Me

Yes, everyone's opinions are valid and what works for one may not work for others. There are successful therapists who do start the recovery process by separating masturbation from pornography. They go so far as to say that when one (unfortunately) masturbates one should at least do so without any imagery in mind. Although masturbation is considered a worse aveira, pornography appears to be more addictive. Therefore these therapists choose to deal with pornography first. Make no mistake - no one is minimizing the issur or illness of masturbating. The plan is to recover from that too. Obviously one should seek guidance from professionals who have received piskei halach from the gedolei harabbonim. One should also not make any independent decisions based on what is written in an anonymous forum. However the forum can give you more info and clarity to help you understand what to ask.
01 Nov 2017 03:03

willandtonya

I can't believe how easy it is to give in and how hard it is to resist once you taste of the addiction but one time even after over half a year. I know my problem and the source that stirs up this lust is looking at women. Still, I find it so difficult to not do this. Not only is porn an addiction, looking at women is a habit that is just as difficult if not more so. I have put off being involved in the group for a long time. That was extremely foolish. God forbid I do such a thing again. The journey continues. 
31 Oct 2017 05:35

GrowStrong

cordnoy wrote on 31 Oct 2017 02:36:

LoveU,Hashem wrote on 31 Oct 2017 02:28:
Hey cord, If you drive on the sidelines you may get a ticket.

For me it doesn't matter where I choose to be; I cannot run away of myself. So far that my self will follow me, I will constantly find myself in the midst of a battlefield. 

When I masturbate before porn, I don't lust, I am killing my lust before it has a chance to grow and explode. Masturbation is like busting the tires before the truck crashes into the wall (or into another fellow trucker). You indeed don't want busted tires, but it's a far better outcome than a damaged truck. 

If lust is what you're looking after than your best course would be to actually act out. I can tell you this much, if you act out every day right in the morning for the rest of your life, you will not lust another day. If you refrain from acting out for 900 days plus, every dirty panty will get your lust running. When I act out regularly, I don't even get to lust. I lose from all sides. Nowadays, If Hashem gives me a clean day, I thank him and am happy as can be. If I fall, I at least I get to enjoy a lustful poison. 

And for the records, maybe it's time to update your chart.. It's been by 900 since I have been around, even when I was still a guest. 

All the best, cord! I hope I didn't violate any moderator's guidelines.. 

Thank you.

ThereThere are some good lines there and that I enjoy.

Regardin' your main point, I couldn't disagree more.

B'hatzlachah on whichever road you choose to take.

Again I completely agree with Cords in what he says here.
However i would like to add my ESH to this discussion.
I quit porn before i quit masturbatin'
I took one addiction at a time.
When I quit porn i stopped seeing everyone on the streets as a potential part of my nights porn pleasure, and it had a profound effect on me.
At the time I didnt even want to quit masturbating it was not on my radar.
Quitting masturbating which was my earliest drug in life was much harder.
I still feel the pull to masturbate and I do not feel an impulse to see porn.
This is not the experience of most people I know who try to quit both at the same time.
I did however watch more porn than most of them :-)
This is not a traditional route to quitting but it did work for me and i am now clean from porn, street lust AND masturbation for 10 months 2 weeks and 1 day by the Grace of God!
Thanks.
30 Oct 2017 15:56

Markz

Third holy bear wrote on 30 Oct 2017 15:09:
BH

What if.... the belief that you are NOT in control and are addicted is fueling your addiction? 

What if you believed that you can create change slowly and progressively can actually change your behavior, in the past this has been true to a limited degree in my life. 

​I know this heresy to anyone who believes in 12 step program, but for the benefit of those who truly seek recovery and those who 12 step program did NOT work for them. just maybe...  

I haven't seen anywhere that 12 step program would work with half steps... 
Category: Break Free
30 Oct 2017 15:09

Third holy bear

BH

What if.... the belief that you are NOT in control and are addicted is fueling your addiction? 

What if you believed that you can create change slowly and progressively can actually change your behavior, in the past this has been true to a limited degree in my life. 

​I know this heresy to anyone who believes in 12 step program, but for the benefit of those who truly seek recovery and those who 12 step program did NOT work for them. just maybe...  
Category: Break Free
30 Oct 2017 13:33

gibbor120

Welcome back!  I would recommend joining Dov's phone conference.  Hatzlacha in your 12 step program.
Category: Introduce Yourself
30 Oct 2017 00:37

ColinColin

Good luck.
Category: Introduce Yourself
29 Oct 2017 12:08

proudjew2015

Hi,
Im a hardcore sexaddict. For as long as i remember myself. Im technically still married but in divorceproceedings. Bh i have 3 beautiful boys who i love dearly. My journey into recovery started in 2015 when my wife got serious about divorce. I always knew i had a problem but could never face it. I put myself into a rehab in Israel(Retorno)but knew the marriage is over. After being there for 3 Month i came back home for about a year and then moved out because she decided to go along with the divorce. I have come to the following conclusions: my sickness is a daily struggle. All day long. Yes it gets easier with time but i have to be behind it all the time. Im bh free of masterbation and porn since Feb 2017 which is the longest time ever in my life. Im going to meetings and work the Steps(i admit that Step 4 is something i have issues with but with gds help ill get through it too). The turning point after Rehab, the most important thing in order to stay sober in real life, is my Filter on my smartphone. If i dont use one im lost. Maybe not on the same day. But the moment of truth will come. And that happend today. I had payment issues with the Filtercompany and so for just few hours i didnt have a working filter on my phone. Trust me i was about to view forbidden pictures and masterbate but with Hashems grace i could stop before anything happend. What helped me were these thoughts: do i really want to begin again? Im in good place now. Its soo not worth it. It gives me pleasure for 10 seconds and depressions for days. ITS NOT WORTH IT. And so i got up and went to shil and even had a minyen prepared for me from heaven. GYE is very essential to my life. The chizzuk emails and Whatsappmessages remind me daily what i need to do, what my life is all about. Yes im not active on the boards(this is my first message)but still it makes life much easier. Thank you GYE!!!!!
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