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10 Nov 2017 13:28

cordnoy

GrowStrong wrote on 10 Nov 2017 09:16:

bb0212 wrote on 10 Nov 2017 04:03:

ieeyc wrote on 08 Nov 2017 17:21:
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!please,everyone has some addict and nonaddict in him  ialso gain so much fromthe people who have an addiction because they are the REAL fighters and they give me strength to  fight my baby fights

Us non addicts are much stronger than addicts. We have to be, because we fight. They just let God do the fighting for them. Addicts are so lucky...

joke or not its true :-)

Lucky....at least those few who are alive to tell the tale.
Category: Important Threads
10 Nov 2017 09:16

GrowStrong

bb0212 wrote on 10 Nov 2017 04:03:

ieeyc wrote on 08 Nov 2017 17:21:
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!please,everyone has some addict and nonaddict in him  ialso gain so much fromthe people who have an addiction because they are the REAL fighters and they give me strength to  fight my baby fights

Us non addicts are much stronger than addicts. We have to be, because we fight. They just let God do the fighting for them. Addicts are so lucky...

joke or not its true :-)
Category: Important Threads
10 Nov 2017 04:03

bb0212

ieeyc wrote on 08 Nov 2017 17:21:
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!please,everyone has some addict and nonaddict in him  ialso gain so much fromthe people who have an addiction because they are the REAL fighters and they give me strength to  fight my baby fights

Us non addicts are much stronger than addicts. We have to be, because we fight. They just let God do the fighting for them. Addicts are so lucky...
Category: Important Threads
10 Nov 2017 03:20

serenity

There are so may Dov resources on this website including the ability to search for his comments on this forum. There are recordings, articles and his phone conference. I think he's said just about everything there is to be said. It's definitely worth it to look up his stuff. For awhile I was cutting and pasting Dov stuff here in the forum.  His article entitled nuclear reset button is a must read for the struggler. Here is something I just found by doing an advanced search for the user Dov.  You can't find this kind of stuff anywhere. Dov is so deep and has an understanding of sex addiction that few can match.
Dov wrote on 22 Jun 2017 16:17:

breakfreegye wrote on 07 Jun 2017 14:26:
I have really been struggling the past couple of days. I have had trouble sleeping and I am really tired. In addition my wife has been unavailable for a number of weeks following a miscarriage. I dont find myself struggling with desire to look at inappropriate material very often but these conditions are making it very difficult.

Exercise is often great and can help - but it is no solution. Sex w your wife is often great and can help - but it is no solution. Finding things that will distract you is often useful and can help in some limited situations - but it is no solution. Davening is often great and can help - but it is no solution. 

(Earlier this month) Your wife recently had a miscarriage. 

Are you hearing the solution yet?

There is 'an elephant in the room'. Have you gotten closer to her since the miscarriage? How much closer? The closer you get with her, the LESS you will need sex. Love - real love - kills lust. Sexaholics know this, experience it, and it works. Though you are probably not an addict, this path can still work for you and it can start to really solve a great deal of your problem. 

Exercising, davening, distracting yourself...gevalt. Your wife may have just had deep hopes dashed, blood coming out of her where a baby should have, and who knows what fear and sadness are coursing through her for the past few weeks (I do not know her personal state and issues around the miscarriage, but the above is pretty normal, though many women do not admit it especially to men). You may have talked w her a lot - but if the sex is bothering you, that probably means you may not have talked w her enough. Not gotten deep with both of your feelings yet. 

I am not faulting you for having selfish sexual desire, Good L-rd no. I have that plenty of that, too. But the miscarriage is a unique opportunity to get closer instead of running away deeper into your sex-starvedness, and demanding nature that we all suffer with. May Hashem help you, me, and all of us use every one of these opportunities to grasp onto the real solutions to life's problems, the greatest of which is our own ego and neediness. Hatzlocha reaching out to her more than ever before and letting this miscarriage bring you closer and really solve your loneliness that sex screams to fill. It worked for my wife and me when that happened to us. It can work for you, too.

Helpful at all?

- Dov  
Category: Important Threads
09 Nov 2017 20:15

Markz

MayanHamisgaber wrote on 09 Nov 2017 19:47:

Markz wrote on 09 Nov 2017 19:18:
MPD


Drug Addict;
Multiple Prescription Disorder

Gye Addict:
Multiple Post Disorder
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Sure
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Hope that helps (sorry for the 4 letter word)  :-P

MPD
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Category: Just Having Fun
09 Nov 2017 19:47

MayanHamisgaber

Markz wrote on 09 Nov 2017 19:18:
MPD


Drug Addict;
Multiple Prescription Disorder

Gye Addict:
Multiple Post Disorder
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Sure
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Hope that helps (sorry for the 4 letter word)  :-P
Category: Just Having Fun
09 Nov 2017 19:18

Markz

MPD


Drug Addict;
Multiple Prescription Disorder

Gye Addict:
Multiple Post Disorder
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Category: Just Having Fun
08 Nov 2017 01:03

Fed

Hi,

i am am married with two kids. I have recently become a bit addicted to very indecent movies and masterbating!

i have tried the 90 days program but every time the urge comes I just fall! I have put a filter on my phone. I have locked myself out of my iPad. I can't do more but I still fall!!

pls can I have some tools use when I get this urge! It is so so strong!!! 

Please send all suggestions to fedhopeful@gmail.com

thanks in adance!
Category: Introduce Yourself
07 Nov 2017 06:16

Shlomo24

I am starting to write this at 12:22 AM Eastern Time. By 4:45 or so, provided I stay sober until then, I will have one year of sexual sobriety. This is incredibly special to me. I am a big proponent of One Day At A Time, and I truly believe in it, but one year is a big milestone to reach in recovery. I am immensely grateful to my Higher Power for giving me this gift. 

For this share, I would like to focus on gratitude: I am incredibly grateful to God for leading me on this path of recovery. He has given me so much and I am so happy today. I did not think that my journey would take the path it did at all, but nonetheless I wouldn't have it any other way. God was there for me along every step that I took and he guided me gently, holding my hand throughout. He performed a miracle by keeping me sober. A miracle is when there is a breach of natural order and it is completely miraculous that I, who was in the depths of active addiction, am sober. I am powerless over lust yet I am sober. That is completely attributed to my Higher Power.

I would like to thank GYE for being such a vital part of my recovery. On GYE I found other people who were struggling just as I did and it was through GYE that I joined SA. I have laughed and cried with the other members of this forum and I have gained so much knowledge from the forum as a whole. It also allowed me to practice the 12th step of SA and be of service to those who needed it. There are a lot of users that had an impact in my recovery, but I am going to limit it to 5. I love all of you but I can't go through everyone.

Gevura: Thank you for being so positive and upbeat at all times. Thank you for reaching out to me when I first joined and for offering a warm welcome and with loving arms. I could always count on you to lighten up the mood and to provide the forum with much needed fellowship.

Cordnoy: Thank you for your wisdom and wit throughout my journey. Many of your posts have made an impression on me and I value your recovery and your opinion greatly. You have also helped me a lot with learning recovery concepts, even if they weren't directly sex-related.

Dov: Thank you for being available in times of need. I really cherished the phone calls and conversations that we had and you make recovery very real. You don't water things down and you helped me get to the heart of many issues. 

WorkingGuy: I would not have expected you to be on this list, but you are. You really helped open my eyes and remain open-minded and objective about recovery. You helped me break away from black-and-white thinking and appreciate all forms of recovery. What started off a little rocky between you and I eventually changed into something much more healthy and I began to look forward to reading your posts. Your recovery was really internalized and it was very helpful for me to be in contact with you.

MarkZ: Thank you for all the assistance you provided with GYE. You were always very involved in making sure the site was running well and I really appreciate that. You also were instrumental in GYE being a happy and fun atmosphere, always quick to make a joke. Fellowship is integral to recovery and you were a big part of that for me. Your posts made me smile many times.

I am grateful to SA (SA is my main fellowship but I am really referring to the entire S-fellowship) for saving my life. If not for SA I would be homeless or dead or diseased. I fully believe that. Words cannot express how thankful I am to my Higher Power for the SA program. SA gave me a new lease on life. Not only that, I learned how to have relationships with people for the first time. The fellowship of SA has been so positive for me and it is what really keeps me coming back. I tried so many ways of stopping, but SA was the only way that worked for me. I have shared pain, happiness, anger and fear. I have cried from laughter and cried from tears. SA and the 12 steps taught me how to have a relationship with my Higher Power, which is the most valuable thing in my life today.

I am incredibly grateful to my Sponsor. He led me, sometimes gently, and sometimes not so gently, through the 12 steps of SA. He checked in with me and let me share with him. He listened to me when I needed someone to hear me out. He provided feedback when he had feedback to give, and listened when he didn't. He taught me how to relate to others, in all different levels of relationships. We connected on many levels and I truly beleive that he was a messenger from God. My Sponsor told me things that I didn't want to hear, but many times it was exactly what I needed to hear. He taught me that "It's ok to feel ordinary" and that God loves me more than any human possibly can.

I also want to include some practical tools that I have acquired on my journey, in no particular order. Understand that this is the experience of an addict:

Phone calls - I find phone calls to be integral to my recovery. I need to get out of my head and to get feedback from others. I need to check in my daily life so problems don't fester and grow.

Meetings - There is no way that I could maintain long-term sobriety without meetings. I need meetings to hear other people's ideas and to bring out to light what is going on in my life. I need meetings to cultivate friendships and to teach me how to connect to my Higher Power.

Fellowship - Fellowship is the glue that keeps it all together. My closest friends are my SA friends and I am so proud of that. Fellowship has transformed recovery from a helpful tool into my daily life. I live recovery because I am constantly surrounded by my fellowship. Even if I am having a bad day, I am bound to be contacted by other fellows. The fellowship of SA is where I learned how to make healthy friends and I learned that I am lovable and that people care about me.

Higher Power: Call him whatever you want, I couldn't get sober without him. I crashed my business and I needed to turn it over to someone who is much more knowledgeable than me. As soon as I start doing things my way, I am returning the business to its failed CEO. So long as I am in my Higher Power's hands, I am safe and he will lead the way.

12 Steps: The 12 steps is where the magic of the program is. Stopping acting out is changing a behavior, but it is not changing the person. The 12 steps transformed a man who was fearful, resentful, and codependent into a man that is serene, accepting, and grounded. It also was the main way in which I learned how to connect to my Higher Power. It provided the framework for me to develop a God of my understanding. It cleared away the wreckage of my past and allowed me to have a clean slate with those I had harmed.

I don't plan on being on GYE that much, but you can all contact me through the links below. If you respond to this thread I will see an email and probably check the thread also. I don't want to say goodbye to GYE, but based on life circumstances I think it is appropriate to do so.

God bless you all.
Category: Introduce Yourself
07 Nov 2017 02:24

Markz

Definition of "Non Addict"
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Category: Just Having Fun
06 Nov 2017 15:05

Third holy bear

BH

I think its great that you have lowered the amount of time etc. Keep up the great work. 
But I think what usually happens its increases and the addictions becomes stronger over time. 

So at the very least never stop working on it. 
Category: Break Free
03 Nov 2017 16:28

FryGuy

So what you're saying is that even with all the 12 step programs if you dont put in any effort ( ie learn torah)on your own then you'll never overcome your addiction? 
Category: What Works for Me
03 Nov 2017 12:06

cordnoy

eli613 wrote on 03 Nov 2017 05:17:
Thanks for welcoming me back. My indication of paying for a sponsor was just my way of expressing how desperate I am to find a sponsor. I don't sign on very often but if anybody can point me in the direction of finding a sponsor, I would really appreciate it. Thank you!

Most of the time, good sponsors are found by meetings.

B'hatzlachah
Category: Introduce Yourself
03 Nov 2017 10:49

Amz61

Hi
Hi all,

I am new to GYE, but it appears that I am not alone in this fight against the yetzer hara with regards to this addiction.  Even though, my 90 day chart says I completed 1 day, it's actually been 5, BH.  I am pleased with the support and the tools given here, and I am confident that with the proper motivations, we will all indeed succeed. 
Unfortunately, someone may have to tell my soon to be ex-wife that, but I am confident that I will move on to bigger and better things.
Category: Introduce Yourself
03 Nov 2017 08:32

Jonathan

Hi Everyone,

My name is Jonathan and what I want to do in this post is share some insights that I think may be important for a lot of you and then offer a weekly conference call that will discuss these ideas further. Just a warning in advance - this is long post, but I do hope a worthwhile read for many…

To start this off, I want to say that I have been part of GYE for many years now, primarily helping men who struggle with SSA (same-sex attractions). Part of that help involves me giving a 12-cycle call for 45 minutes once a week. These calls have evolved from when they began and that is actually largely because I too have evolved. And it’s this evolution that has helped me realize recently that there’s more I could be doing for all of you on GYE, not just those struggling with SSA.

To elaborate further, when I began my calls, I was only familiar with Life Coaching techniques to approach these complicated issues such as SSA and addiction. However, over the past several years, I started a Masters in Social work and began learning therapeutic approaches to helping people. Coaching and therapy share the common goal of wanting to help individuals improve their lives, but they do it differently. Coaching offers practical, here and now tools, and a Life Coach typically has a set of insights and assumptions about how his client will heal the moment he walks into a session. In a sense, the 12-steps is a Coaching approach - there are set of steps each person should take in order to overcome an addiction, and the primary mindset is that if each person does each step, they hopefully will see success finally reaching their goals to become sober.

Therapy differs from this because it believes each person has a unique life, a unique struggle, and therefore a unique way they would then have to heal in order for them to finally achieve peace. Good therapists do their best to make their office an unconditionally accepting space for the client to deeply explore and learn about himself. As the client and therapist learn more about the client in such a setting, with the help of a secure and trusting connection, solutions for healing begin to become clear, and the client on his own actually starts to organically make positive life changes. The therapist too may then also be better equipped to offer insights and advice that are more personalized, because he now deeply knows his client. A therapist at this point may even then suggest 12-step meetings or other potentially effective tools. It is actually at this juncture that I think therapists will turn on more of coaching role at times. The difference though is that the coaching comes later and is more individualized because it takes into account the client self-discovery that came beforehand.

This means that therapy is more of a process. And often, in this process, positive changes often occur later after the therapist gets to know the client and the client better knows himself. And this can take a lot of time too, as well a investment, energy, courage, and overcoming a lot of risks. It may seem simple thinking about it, but having the ability to uncover all the different parts of ourselves, and then have the ability to deeply understand it all is not easy. This is especially because we have parts of ourselves that hate being seen and known. We have parts of ourselves that want to stay hidden, perhaps because they are familiar with shame and rejection, and are too afraid they’ll experience that again if they were revealed. We have parts of ourselves that actually like to hide other parts of ourselves. For an example: We may have a child-like part that went through incredible pain, hurt, abuse or other forms of wounding growing up and never had healthy support letting go of the suffering this pain caused. And another part of us may be really familiar with that suffering, and reacts to it by doing a lot today to help us hide, repress, or deny that suffering so we do not have to feel it anymore. This is what I mean having a part of ourselves that hides another part. And a part like this may also be hiding our pain by pushing us to seek alternatives to pain, and ways to escape it so we can “live life” and not have to experience suffering any more. In other words, we have parts of ourselves that are actually actively trying to protect us from past pain AND we have parts of ourselves that are still experiencing and extremely familiar with that pain. This whole system of parts is simply not easy to understand and know. But the reality is, we have many different parts of ourselves that live in each and every one us and they impact our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors in so many different ways.

Let me now say something that may sound really radical: when we struggle with sex addiction, we may be really experiencing a part of ourselves that is trying to PROTECT us from deep, unresolved suffering caused by pain. And yes, this means that this part of ourselves may actually have positive intentions by trying to help protect us! And really with that in mind, it is not the part itself, but its methods and actions for protecting us, that are destructive, bad and unhelpful.

And yet, so many of us hate the entire addict part inside of us. We shame it. We abuse it. We wish it wasn’t there and constantly go into battle mode at trying to subdue this “rasha” “yetzher horadik” “disgusting” part of ourselves. We may consider it simply a challenge from Hashem and that’s it, without seeing it from any other angle. And what we may be doing here is actually defining our addict part by it’s actions alone. Since this part clearly does bad, well then it must also be bad or a challenge from Hashem, and nothing else. And so we fight it. We battle it. We strengthen our good parts - like our religiously observant part, by then learning more Torah or davening really hard, hoping with all of the good we will simply override this “evil” part of us that is making us sin. Or we may go to groups or meetings, and imagine that the higher our sobriety number, the stronger ammunition we’ll have in us to demolish this “unsober” truly evil part of ourselves. Or we’ll just do things to try and avoid the addict part all together. We will begin to act like it really is not there, and rationalize the times it appears as just blips in the radar.

Whatever we do in these cases, we are not accepting AND understanding this very real addict part of us. We are not bringing it into light and seeing it for what it really is. We are not learning from it, and seeing why it is truly in our lives. We may be making a lot of assumptions about it and judging it in all sorts of ways. But again, we are not getting to know it, and letting it talk and speak to us. We are not letting it tell us whether it is trying to protect us from pain. And we are certainly not seeing all the work it may be doing to try and protect us from pain. This then does not give us the opportunity to then see any of the real, unfortunate, deeper hurting child parts of ourselves that are still suffering from pain. We do not get a window into all of that pain because the protector parts of ourselves do not trust us to handle it - after all, we already are doing great job at shaming, condemning, and judging the addict part of ourselves - why would that protector part actually then let us see our younger pained parts that are suffering when we could then do the exact thing to them and make the pain worse!?

In these situations, some of us may end up becoming really good at going to battle with ourselves and subduing our “evil,” addict parts enough that they no longer show up in our lives. And yes this actually takes a lot of work, and work that often needs to maintained for a lifetime. But many of us may be happy accepting that challenge and living in battle mode until we die. And I truly respect these people. I think they are incredibly strong and if that is what is working for them and creating peace and success for them, then I applaud it.

However, I also think many of us struggle or ultimately will struggle with living in this constant battle. I think there are so many of us that deep down need to face their pain and resolve its suffering. I think many of us do at times find success battling our addict, but we then find that we are not winning the war, and may be worried whether we ever will. As a therapist, I want to say to all of you that you can learn to see this part of you instead and give it some light. You can sit with it, instead of shame it, and learn why it’s in your life. You can have a dialogue with it to actually understand why it’s giving you desires to act out, and in this dialogue, you may even begin to find ways to work with this part of you so it helps you achieve your goals, instead of work against them. And then I believe you can become strong enough to face the real pain and suffering the addict part of you may have been trying to protect from you this whole time. YOU can be the one to see, accept, understand, and then care for that pain. And then, as a Life Coach, I want to say to you that you can then know and discover the right tools that will work for you to help you heal the suffering. With your knowledge about yourself and your own unique pain, you may discover that you need the 12-steps, or if you are already there, how you can make 12-steps even better for you! Or you may discover that you need a whole other tool all together - or a combination of both. Whatever tools you take on, you can do so knowing a lot more about yourself first.

And you can do all of this from a sense of Self that is much more accepting and willing to face all of these protecting and pained parts. You can do this from a Self that has unconditional love and care for YOU - A Higher Self, or true soul-like essence, that I believe is actually already in you and connected to Hashem. A Self that is willing to shine light on everything within you and face it all - both the protectors and the pain. A Self that does not want to battle anything in you, but simply wants to understand it all with the intent to give healing and peace.

My calls for SSA used to speak about matters in a coach-like way and gave off the impression that if strugglers do steps A, B, and C, their conflict with SSA will resolve itself. But this isn’t always what happened with individuals that I met who were following my approach. And then as I evolved more into a therapist, I took a step back from a lot of what I was saying, and realized I need to develop calls that present a framework that makes more space for all of the many different kinds of individuals that face this struggle and that also recognizes the many different ways individuals will ultimately find peace. Today, I still present a specific framework, but it has been expanded so that SSA is never defined by one specific way of thinking and I now frequently encourage participants to pursue a therapeutic space where they could better understand all the parts of themselves more effectively, especially their SSA, than just through a 12-cycle call.

I do think a lot of GYE could benefit from evolving in the same way. I think many of us need to face our struggles more deeply than just by relying on an already pre-determined set of tools, such as forums, groups, meetings, calls, etc. Please don’t misunderstand me and think that I am saying these tools are not helpful - indeed they are! And I know they have been life-changing for so many here. However, I do think for a lot of us, these tools sometimes neglect other parts of ourselves that still need attention and care. And when this happens, we can continue to store pain deep within ourselves, and we can then continue to feel a reliance on protectors, such as our addict, that immaturely try and save us from this pain. This also ultimately prevents us from deeply knowing and accepting ourselves, and instead we stay in an eternal battle deep within for the rest of our lives. In short, I think we really do owe it to ourselves to at least consider a path where we achieve inner-harmony with the parts of ourselves that do bad things, and not believe that our only path to success is on an internal battlefield.

And so with all of this said, I want to offer to continue this discussion in the form of a weekly conference call. I would very much welcome speaking more about these ideas with all of you, and why and how this type of therapeutic exploration into ourselves can be incredibly powerful and necessary for many of us to reach our goals. I would also focus on the goal of moving past sexual addiction and living a healthy sober life, but I think the content of the calls would certainly apply to any interpersonal struggle. And yes, these calls will be just a tool, which I would make clear from the beginning. They will not replace therapy and I do not think they will solve all your struggles. But as a tool, I think they will be helpful one, and hopefully effective at opening your eyes and directing you to therapeutic resources, should you discover that you need them to move forward.

In order to make this happen, I want to first see whether there is any interest in a call like this. Please express your interest to me by either replying to this thread, or sending me an email at jhoffmantherapy@gmail.com.

I know this was a long read, and I hope to that those who got to the end found it helpful. I look forward to seeing where this goes and welcome any questions, feedback, thoughts etc. here in this thread as well, or to the email above I provided.

May we all have nothing but Hatzlocha Raba moving forward in our journey!

-Jonathan

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