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03 May 2020 11:58

AnonyJew

Another update:

I'm now on day 12 clean. When they say every day is a battle, they mean it. I am finding though that it has become a bit easier. I have to remind myself that the way of the ​yetzer harah is to make you feel like you are winning in order to let your guard down. So far the biggest help in managing the urges have been the delay method (starting a 20 minute timer from the moment I get an urge and waiting for the urge to pass) and my CBA. I haven't even completed it but I found that even just focusing on the benefits section has been tremendously powerful. There are so many benefits to quitting and so few to keeping the addiction. I know it seems obvious but having gone through the exercise and defining the benefits really made a powerful impact into my mind. 

I've also begun to speak more openly with my wife about my feelings. It's been a few days where I have been trying hard not to keep everything to myself but just be vulnerable and put my cards on the table. I don't mean in regards to this addiction, I'm still not there. But just in general in regards our relationship and raising our kids and life. To give some more context the past few years I've been struggling with shalom bayis and the worst part was that we have had a huge emotional disconnect. It probably has a lot to do with my issues but nonetheless it has been spiraling downward. 

Yesterday after speaking with my wife for an hour or so she told me "I want you to know that I love you. I feel like we've been connecting again" I know it may seem trivial but it has been a long time since I've heard anything like that. Even longer since there was actual truth in the words. 

I am so grateful for this recovery process. I'm not there yet but I hope to continue in this way. I already see a light at the end of the tunnel getting brighter. 
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03 May 2020 04:30

StrugglingTeenOneMillion

I DID NOT MAKE THIS UP; IT WAS FROM A GYE EMAIL. WHEN I READ IT, IT SENT CHILLS UP MY SPINE. IF WHOEVER WROTE IT SEES THIS, PLS CONTACT ME. PM THRU GYE. ANXIOUSLY AWAITING TO BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU! IT IS DEAD ON. WITH ALL THE EMOTIONS!

How Addiction Feels

Posted by a GYE Member

Pushed down a hallway that I was never supposed to be in, pushed further away from life, happiness, fulfillment, reality, toward a place of dark twisted things, rotting dreams and fake smiles, tortured screams and wild inhuman laughter, echoing faintly.

There are rooms in this hallway, some I've been in, some not, but this is no hotel, once you enter, you stay, not because you're not allowed out, no, the front doors are open, of course, you can sometimes catch a glimpse of the outside street, maybe even see people walking past, real people, I think, I can't always tell, maybe today will be the day I walk outside.

But then the push comes again, stronger than ever, the curiosity of what's around the corner, the world can wait, there are rooms I never tried yet.


I can leave at any time. But I never do. There have been times, I've stood by the front door, unable to walk out, hidden in a shadow, wrapped in the silence of my shame, staring out at the world, the scary, real world. One day I'll go out, I promise myself.

In the hallway, hearing the shrieks of pain, the sobbing, the repetitive mumbling of those once sane. But the insides of the rooms look so beautiful.


I will leave, I promise myself. There's the world out there, a real world, where people are people, not things. A world in which there's love, two people respecting each other, giving to each other, where smiles can be found on faces without glazed eyes. A world where life has meaning, purpose, hope, growth.

This hallway threatens to choke me in its shadowy depths. Does this tunnel have a light at the end? Time will tell.

Category: What Works for Me
01 May 2020 17:38

AlexEliezer

yosef10 wrote on 29 Apr 2020 01:05:

....Then it was 12:00 pm and I'm fighting back and forth looking at images but nothing really explicit, debating whether or not I should go further. It was really difficult ....

....3. Not look at triggering images on google images (even with safe search)....


Good catch.

A breakthrough for me was understanding that I can't afford these small doses of the drug either.  It's like an alcoholic who is "committed" to sobriety, but takes a small sip of his favorite drink now and then.  It feeds the inner addict, and ultimately leads to the next fall.  These little peeks, or even fantasies, add fuel to keep the fire of addiction alive and well, ready to flare up when conditions are ripe.

I also find it helpful to bring Hashem into the battle.  If I need to go online, or somewhere there will be potential for triggers, I ask Him to help me keep my eyes clean.  If I feel my mind is starting to be taken over by lustful thoughts or the desire to fall, I ask Him to take it from me.  I verbally surrender the lust to Him.

Have a great, clean day.
01 May 2020 15:02

AnonyJew

Hey everyone, 

Just another update on my progress. I hope you're not all bored of my journey yet. Today is day 10 clean. I did not honestly think I would make it this far on my second try. I think part of me was still undecided about making this change in my life. Change is hard. It isn't just making a decision. There is a lot fo work that goes into it and a lot of emotions, fears and anxieties tied to making such a drastic change in one's life. Nonetheless I am pushing through. 

I've found that these forums, listening to some podcast interviews, watching some youtube videos and participating in some conversations about this addiction has really helped me a lot more to understand the nature of my problem. This isn't just lust. This is rooted in an unhealthy relationship to sex that probably has a lot to do with being introduced to pornography at such a young age and not receiving anything about it anywhere else for years. Even when the adults in my life did finally speak about it it was in the context of issurim and how terrible it is. How was I supposed to say at that point that I had already engaged in it without understanding what I was doing? 

I don't blame my father or my rabbeim because now I worry about my son. What if he is exposed without me knowing? How and when do I speak to him about something like this? I must have been 9 or 10 years old when I was exposed and nobody spoke to me about it until 13. That was 3 years of being taught what was "healthy sexual relationships" via pornography. Obviously by the time we spoke about shichvas zera lashav it wasn't going to go well. 

Anyways, point is I am realizing there are a lot more issues that I need to work out, unravel and work through before I can really free myself from this problem. In the meantime I've begun working on my CBA. Wish me luck!
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01 May 2020 14:42

DavidT

We need to remember that the acting out was really a solution to the addiction, but it's a bad solution.  In order to solve the issue we need a higher power to help us fill the void that we were trying to fill by acting out. 
(this is one of the basic concepts of the 12 step program)
01 May 2020 04:05

DiamondWithAFlaw

I'm having the same issue that Cab is describing and would love any advice.
I have been dieting on and off for 25 years and have always been able to keep my weight in check, but since I stopped P & M about 8 months ago, I haven't been able to diet and now I weigh more than I ever have 
I also stopped vaping 2 months ago. These 2 things combined with the pandemic (always being home) have made it impossible for me to diet! 
I've read around here that our lust addiction is a way of "escaping". And that would mean that would apply to ANY addiction I imagine - including overeating. 
This makes sense to me because when I stopped vaping I realized that I have more "quiet" time - more time to think. 
And now I see how I can busy almost the entire day with food! 
It would seem my unconscious mind is just trying to keep me busy with anything it can. 
I think mindfulness meditation is a good start for me and I'm working on that, but it's really hard! 

May G-d help us all! 
Category: Break Free
30 Apr 2020 19:23

Guard1

I would recommand you to read those articles about the 12 steps : guardyoureyes.com/articles/12-step

Of course you're not obliged to commit to the real 12 step program. But the philosophy of the 12 steps as I understand it seems to be the only way to win the war over lust on the long term.

In a few words, the idea is to internalize that you can't win this fight, only Hachem can do it for you. But in order to achieve that we have to deeply internalize this and sincerely give up everything to Hachem. The only way to win, is to realize you can't win.

This philosophy is not only for those who are "addicted" I think, it's for anyone who truely wants to get rid of lust.

This is also a powerful tactic for day-to-day fight : when a lust thought comes in, just say "Hachem, it's too hard not to think about it, I can't do it alone, please remove this thought from me". If you do it sincerely, the thought disapear.

Also read this : guardyoureyes.com/the-secret-of-happiness

We have to convert our egoistic desire to receive in something divine.

Also, have you read the GYE Handbook ? It covers everything we need to know for this fight.
30 Apr 2020 10:31

littlebylittle

Gibor_Kaari wrote on 30 Apr 2020 06:36:

wilnevergiveup wrote on 30 Apr 2020 05:44:
Wow! What a post!

I am really sorry that you have not found your match yet. With G-D's help may you find your natch soon.

Just to set the record straight (and I think this is unanimous) marriage is not the answer, not even close.

It is true that struggling to find your match and living alone can cause stress/loneliness which can be an underlying factor but it is important to to some deep searching (perhaps with the help of a therapist in some cases) to figure out what is really bothering us.

The only thing marriage does is gives you the fear of your wife finding out. Once she does or the desire surpasses the fear, all the gates are open once more.

For most of us who have watched porn/used porn, our minds are so twisted from reality that when we get married our wives could't dream of living up to our expectations. We then turn back to porn and masterbation because we were "let down" by our wives. This is the tragic reality and I fear that unless we learn to treasure relationships with real people (parents, siblings, friends, etc.) as training grounds for our marriage before our marriage, we have to learn the hard way after.

Marriage is not about fulfilling our desires, it's about creating a real everlasting relationship with your spouse, sacrificing for her and giving without  expecting anything in return.

Healthy relationships before marriage are really important in this struggle as well as for marriage. 
I am not saying this is the same for everyone but (for me at least) learning to sacrifice (still a work in progress) is the only real hope.
Working on healthy relationships outside marriage (parents, siblings, relatives, friends, etc.) can do wonders. Not saying it fixes the problem but it helps with some of the underlying issues.

The frum dating system is definitely flawed but it seems like it's the best we've got. 
I feel terrible that our system failed you so far, may you find your zivug bikarov and wishing you much hatzlachah on your journey.









Hi Thank you for your comments.

As I have indicated that what I'm saying is not the solution for everybody, but for those that have similar concerns and issues such as been single, not been able to channel the sexual desires that one has in a productive and normal way, that is with a wife.

I think that there is a misconception that we all have. We tend to believe that we watch porn and masturbate because there is something inherently wrong with us and that needs therapy. I have explained that there is nothing wrong with us. The body at a certain age awakens and it has its desires, exactly the same way one has a desire to eat and drink. These are called bodily desires or needs. So we don't masturbate because there is something wrong with us, we do it because we have a certain bodily desire that needs to be tended to.

The premise is that this is a terrible addiction that needs a cure. Its not an addiction. Unless one wants to suggest the ludicrous notion that eating and drinking 3 times a day is an addiction. If its not an addiction then what it is?

Simply put, no one has asked this when they were born. It is something that is inherent within us human beings. When one does not have an outlet of how to express these great bodily and emotional needs of sexuality then they turn to porn and masturbation in order to release the tension and urge. It is not done with the thought of angering God. No one religious sits next to a computer and says to God: 'You know what? I am going to watch porn and masturbate because I want to make you angry'. This never happens with normative orthodox individuals.

​So why are we doing it? because we are single, and when you're single you don't have anyone to share your sexuality with. This in turn turns into loneliness, frustration, bitterness and anger, all the ingredients that culminate with the end result of porn and masturbation.

One may ask then why those who are married still watch porn and masturbate? there can be many factors. I personally believe that the current Jewish lifestyle is engulfed with extreme stress and many expectations. The regular orthodox family produces between 5 to 10 children on average. Many of these young couples are not able to cope with the hardships of running such a costly and daunting project, the modern day Jewish household. 

They are not happy with their lot. They want to be more stringent Beth Hillel and Beth Shamai who both say depending on their opinion that a man has done his duty in performing the commandment of been fruitful by producing a boy and a girl (Hillel) or 2 boys and 2 girls (Shami) we Pasken according to Hillel. At any rate, these young couples generically and specifically create unnecessary burdens and difficulties for themselves. The wife is constantly tending the children, she really has no time for herself, to take care of herself and be presentable to the husband. many at times a husband comes home and all he sees is a gigantic mess of youngsters turning the entire house around while the mother is so tired and broken up by the end of the day, it is any wonder that she has any more strength left to create spark for her husband?

​Then you have the man, the husband, who comes home from work, or from Kollel. Beaten down by the many tasks and duties that he has generically introduced himself to. Besides getting up in the morning to go to Shul, he has to run to the grocery, buy baby food, diapers, and million other things, he goes to work tired, comes tired, and he too does not look as the sexiest man alive that's an understatement.

Todays young Jewish adults, are trained to live a certain lifestyle that is out of touch with reality. Our Sages of antiquity certainly didn't have this kind of life style that saps the energy out of the couple. A young couple of 5 to 10 children are behaving like grandparents by their mid 30's.

With all this stress, duties, and endless errands, is it any wonder, that the couple is left with a very little room just for themselves? Couples believe that they get married and that's it, they believe that marriage shouldn't be nurtured. The truth is, that the couple has to be ready and willing to excite each other and make themselves rejuvenate as frequently as possible.

When the wife has that time of the month, the couple has to have strong, deep and meaningful conversations, of how much they care about each other, ho much they love each other. When was the last time any married couple had looked each other in the eyes and told them how much they love each other? and how much they mean to each other and that they couldn't imagine themselves without them? Probably next to nothing.

Is it then any wonder, why the couple though seem physically close under the same roof, to be instead emotionally detached. When there is no connection and real meaningful relationship that is the root of all the problems, and then comes the snake waiting on the sidelines holding porn on the one hand and masturbation on the other. Two worthless and meaningless pursuits to forget about the pain of disconnection and lonliness.

I believe that couples suppose to set normal and achievable goals for themselves. Do what you can, enough with the so called 'Mesirut Nefesh' that has caused you your marriage, your sex life, and caused you to be come a burden on everyone you know.

It is important to be happy with your lot. Bring as many children to the world that you know you can handle both financially and emotionally. So that you may have time to spend with your spouse. 

So I would say that a lot of this has to do with the lifestyle.

To conclude my solution for single man is: A wife. 

The solution for married man is : To appreciate the gift that God has bestowed upon you, make your lifestyle the style that you can really carry so you won't break down under the load. And most importantly, both the husband and the wife should be madly in love with each other. You want to hear what is real love? how about taking a look at Shir Hashirim.

The underlining thing for both of this solutions is to stop thinking that there is something wrong with you and that you are crazy or addicted. Its absolutely not that. As I have indicated, the problems are not too complicated. Some in the powers to be would make you think that they are complicated they are not. Instead of pushing a wagon up the mountain with an old donkey that is ready to expire, you should get off that band wagon, be a man and start climbing the mountain all by yourself and let go of that band wagon of nonsensical thinking, worthless lifestyle of unachievable expectations and dreams of rewards in the world to come for your 'מסירות נפש'. Don't think about living in hell now and getting heaven later.

I have a better solution: How about living in Gan Eden right now and also working on getting a gan eden later on?

Why one thinks that he needs to live in Gehenom in order to merit Gan eden?

This false equation needs to be destroyed. 

God wants us all to be happy and its time that we all try to make our lives better. Counting days and nights of how many times you have not watched porn and masturbated will get us nowhere. What we need is a spiritual and physical awakening that clears our minds to let us see what are the true causes of our problems.

Regards,

Beautiful just to reconfirm if you want a meaningful relationship with your wife then its impossible with the 'snake' as well. If you can do this before marriage then you will be making married life A LOT easier you will build yourself up as a true yeras shamayim and when tou go out on a shidduch you will be able to analyze the true neshama infront of you. If your married then it will take time giving up on the snake .... a year atleast until you see some sort of result but you will feel great that your not a slave to lust and your marriage will only get stronger. Dont give in to social pressure and do whats good for you (with the advise of a Rabbi of course) 

the grass is never greener on the other side... its only the snake trying to make you sad to fall to his 'tests' .We are temporary we wont live forever we might even come back (hopefilly not) surely we would want to live better lives the next time? So lets do the right thing now!!! It starts now!! The days turn to weeks and weeks turn to months and the months turn to years!! Yes it can be done and you CAN live a lust free life.

I am sorry i may have gone off topic but finally what about young couples and pressure learning in kollel and the wife working? What about Rebbes advising girls that guys should be learning atleast 5 years after marriage? This is society same thing how society looks at where you live and what car you drive and you are judged by how much money you have.

Is this our religion? Or is this what our religion has become? 

(i am sorry i didnt mean to rant or takeover the thread)
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29 Apr 2020 17:44

AlexEliezer

starting wrote on 29 Apr 2020 10:37:

As of now, and probably for the next couple of years I am happy to be a sober addict. Sober every day but not really doing it as a lifelong string of sobriety but rather as 'one clean day'. and again 'one clean day'. Iy"h I"ll soon say it as 'one clean week' followed by another 'one clean week'.


My goal has never been so ambitious.
One clean day is all I can strive for.
And sometimes, when caught off guard by temptation, staying clean right now is all I can commit to.  I'm going to move on. Distract myself and let this pass. I'll deal with later later.
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29 Apr 2020 16:10

Jj123

Yup.
I'm addicted to cookies. The tinfoil plan isn't enough, but it sure does help.

@Singularity I've seen you and a bunch of others post about the goal of letting go of lust/the long term goal is so much more than a streak.
What are tools to work towards this?
Im worried I'm over-focused on the streak and not working on the real issue at hand.
29 Apr 2020 14:10

starting

Shmuel I am jealous of you
I yearn for the day that I reach will the stage of being able to focus on growing rather than just not falling. Unfortunately, 'old habits die hard'. I feel that I need to appreciate my efforts and reward myself a lot. At least with a pat on the back. One day last week I rewarded myself after a nisayon of several hours. The second reward of the day. Just to let you in a bit on where I am up to. I wrote today on my thread 'How to write your first post in 6 days​':
"As of now, and probably for the next couple of years I am happy to be a sober addict. Sober every day but not really doing it as a lifelong string of sobriety but rather as 'one clean day'. and again 'one clean day'. Iy"h I"ll soon say it as 'one clean week' followed by another 'one clean week'.
I've been addicted long enough to see that a lifelong commitment loses momentum very fast."
You are quite right that perhaps my way seems more for beginners like myself and not necessarily for SMS. Let's hope that everyone finds the chizzuk that they need from wherever they can find it.
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29 Apr 2020 13:32

AnonyJew

Hey everyone, 

I wanted to give an update on my progress and situation. I'm on day 8 sober now and I've been doing a lot of learning about the addiction (if you consider it that) to pornography. I didn't realize how complex the situation was or how far reaching its implications can be in your life. I think probably one of the biggest barriers to my success in stopping in the past was a lack of understanding on the severity of the problem and how it works. I always thought that it was just like any other yetzer harah that if you were inspired/motivated you could just fight it and the struggle was not being inspired enough. I'm realizing now that it's something much deeper and more complex. It is an issue that you have to invest a lot into getting rid of and there is going to be a lot of pain, sacrifice and struggle to get through it. 

I've been reading a lot about SMART recovery here on the forum and that has been helpful. I also watched the 12 Steps to Kabbalah discussion with Eli Nash and Rabbi Doniel Katz and then I watched Eli Nash's Ted Talk and listened to his interview. It was really eye opening and I really believe it helped me. 

I'm really scared and nervous about some of the things that I anticipate I will have to do at some point in my recovery in order to have the breakthroughs I need but at the same time I'm feeling excited at the thought of one day being free and stepping out of the shadows. I realized now that one of the toughest parts of this for me is the shame and hiding that comes with this addiction. I'm not ready to speak about it yet but I heard Eli Nash say one thing that as much as I don't want it to be true I know is - if you're really serious about breaking this addiction I don't see how you can do it without telling your wife. That is by far the scariest thing in the world to me. 

I'm scared of how much it will hurt her to find out that throughout our marriage together I'd been secretly watching pornography and looking at pictures and videos of other women in order to masturbate. I'm scared of the questions she's going to ask me and if I'll be honest or end up lying which could potentially make it much worse. I'm scared that she will never trust me again and it will cause irreparable damage to our marriage. I'm scared that she'll be disgusted with me and won't love me or accept me anymore. I'm scared that she might get angry and then tell other people in her anger and my secret will get out and ruin other parts of my life that are seemingly doing ok right now. I'm also partially scared that telling her would mean I've put all my cards on the table and would have no choice but to really fight to end the addition. There wouldn't be any hiding anymore because I'd stepped out into the light and faced who I really am. I'd have made my addiction real and would then have to really stop. I wouldn't be fighting internally anymore over wether or not to get a filter and how strong. I would have to do everything in my power to stop in order to save my marriage and my family. I'd have to get the best filters until I was really sober for a long time. I'd have to delete my social media. I'd have to create excuses for why I'm not on social media or why I couldn't access certain materials at work. I'd have to take my recovery seriously, possibly joining support groups and/or therapy. I'd have to read a lot about the subject to prepare myself to battle the urges when they come up. All of this is a scary pill to swallow. I know that I'm only 8 days in so I'm probably not going to face these fears any time soon but I thought it would be helpful to start getting some of this stuff out. 

​If anyone has felt anything like this or gone through some of this please post a reply or reach our directly. I'm on day 8 trying to get to day 9 right now and every bit of encouragement helps. 
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29 Apr 2020 13:31

yosef10

After what seemed like a long day, BH I made it through. There were a couple of battles, but the precedent that was set last night was 
1. that I don't need porn
2. i'm am NOT going to watch porn

It was still difficult, but after spending time on the GYE forum I got a bit more on track. 
Something I can work on is trying not to stay up late on my computer, which is something Ill have in mind tonight.

Working with my Rebbe, he said he thinks it would be helpful for me to start visualizing the trigger (not when I'm lusting, but what leads me to do that), and try to see what a healthy reaction to that would be. Also, I thought that maybe I was putting too much emphasis on the struggle, and as a result of that I am a bit more stressed, but he responded that I'm in withdrawal, of course I'm stressed. It's going to continue to be a lot of effort, because what I'm trying to break is an addiction, and it will not come easy in any way shape and form. The visualizations that I practice will hopefully make that "in the moment" much easier. 

Although I'm committed to working hard on this... I also have to know that when I commit, Im just committing for TODAY (thats all I have control over).
29 Apr 2020 10:53

starting

To all newcomers, old timers and all who are not confident enough to post yet:
UPDATE:

Day 7: Wednesday
It's been about 24 hours since my first post and I feel like i am now sober for life I have no idea why I was stupid enough to procrastinate for so long.
This is now my tenth post (I guess I get addicted to everything) and still nothing happened. No one worked out who I am. No one asked anything too personal. All I got were words of encouragement, thank yous and the feeling that now I really am ready to fight my addiction. To start having control over my mind and body.
Oh, and I get this feeling that I have been welcomed to the club. As in like people are understanding and caring. Being in good spirits is perhaps the best distraction from the yetzer hora (at least for me).

Start your own thread now.
Join the club. (Yeah I know I'm saying this as the newest member but I get this feeling that I speak on behalf of many)

Can't wait to meet you
Star ting
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29 Apr 2020 10:37

starting

Hi Singularity
I hate to think differently than you seeing as you are so inspiring with treasures practically everywhere on this forum but personally, I would have loved to be able to do this as a 10 minute saga-perhaps that could have help prevent the shabbos fall

You made me notice that my using the word sober was not quite accurately describing my thoughts. Yes I am up to day 4 now b"h but my hope and dream that I was refering to is to stop being addicted. if possible.
As of now, and probably for the next couple of years I am happy to be a sober addict. Sober every day but not really doing it as a lifelong string of sobriety but rather as 'one clean day'. and again 'one clean day'. Iy"h I"ll soon say it as 'one clean week' followed by another 'one clean week'.
I've been addicted long enough to see that a lifelong commitment loses momentum very fast.
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