18 Feb 2021 14:42
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Lizhensk
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This has been discussed at length on this thread:
https://www.guardyoureyes.com/forum/17-Balei-Battims-Forum/213041-Yeshiva-didnt-prepare-us
I personally don't think that trying to find fault in "the system" is healthy, for any area, let alone addiction or whatever you want to call it.
I heard a rabbi for at-risk teens once say to his "boys": "For years, I defended you and allowed you to blame everyone. Your parents who didn't care, your uncle who molested you, your school that kicked you out, etc. But, at a certain point, you have to get up off your behind and ask yourself what YOU are going to do with your life."
We have all been dealt a heavy hand. Whether it's our marriage, our schools, or everyone around us. The question we have to ask ourselves is what WE are going to do about it. And I think that is how we have to educate our kids too. They need to know that no matter what their yeshivos deal with or don't, they can ask any question they want from us without fear of being put down, and we can say "I don't know" and then go find an answer.
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16 Feb 2021 15:30
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DavidT
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Grant400 wrote on 16 Feb 2021 15:19:
From here on I will try my best to make more time for GYE. This is just as important, actually even more, than all the things I am busy with. From here on, I will bl"n try my best to make time on a more constant basis and be more active on the forums.
Additionally, I accept upon myself not too give in to what I gave into last night although I do not think it is a problem for me in the realm of regular triggers per se, it would take a fool to continue conning myself into believing that it doesn't make a difference, and is innocent. It is wrong.
Grant
Hi Grant, I consider you a role model when it comes to being so open and honest.
They say that "The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. The opposite of addiction is connection." And our whole society, the engine of our society, is geared towards making us connect with things not people."
So let's stay connected and we'll be able to keep on growing with Hashem's help!
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16 Feb 2021 15:26
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Hakolhevel
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bego wrote on 16 Feb 2021 14:48:
Hy wrote on 16 Feb 2021 11:08:
bego wrote on 09 Feb 2021 17:30:
Some people have intimacy issues and then turn to P but that was not the case with me. It made me feel good when I felt down about myself and I just couldn't shake it.
That's definitely something I relate to. Took me a long time to get over that and not use porn as my go to for making myself feel better. Now I use food :-)
Haha I am actually noticing that when i'm on any sort of streak my other vices get magnified. Hopefully i'll learn to have control with those other things when i can kick this addiction!
Funny that, isn't it. You'd think its the opposite as people talk about having self-control like its something you have or you don't. I find its more complicated than that and I have a limited amount of will-power I can apply to different places.
Agreed. And there are also ways to improve/maximize/replenish willpower, but essentially it is limited.
I think they call it white nuckling in AA if you just rely on self control, which is another way of saying, it won't work long term, and you need to work on yourself.
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16 Feb 2021 15:05
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wilnevergiveup
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bego wrote on 16 Feb 2021 14:48:
Hy wrote on 16 Feb 2021 11:08:
bego wrote on 09 Feb 2021 17:30:
Some people have intimacy issues and then turn to P but that was not the case with me. It made me feel good when I felt down about myself and I just couldn't shake it.
That's definitely something I relate to. Took me a long time to get over that and not use porn as my go to for making myself feel better. Now I use food :-)
Haha I am actually noticing that when i'm on any sort of streak my other vices get magnified. Hopefully i'll learn to have control with those other things when i can kick this addiction!
Funny that, isn't it. You'd think its the opposite as people talk about having self-control like its something you have or you don't. I find its more complicated than that and I have a limited amount of will-power I can apply to different places.
Or working on the surface without fixing the core issue. Are you playing Whack-a-mole?
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16 Feb 2021 14:48
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bego
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Hy wrote on 16 Feb 2021 11:08:
bego wrote on 09 Feb 2021 17:30:
Some people have intimacy issues and then turn to P but that was not the case with me. It made me feel good when I felt down about myself and I just couldn't shake it.
That's definitely something I relate to. Took me a long time to get over that and not use porn as my go to for making myself feel better. Now I use food :-)
Haha I am actually noticing that when i'm on any sort of streak my other vices get magnified. Hopefully i'll learn to have control with those other things when i can kick this addiction!
Funny that, isn't it. You'd think its the opposite as people talk about having self-control like its something you have or you don't. I find its more complicated than that and I have a limited amount of will-power I can apply to different places.
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16 Feb 2021 13:53
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excellence
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Striving Avreich wrote on 15 Feb 2021 08:54:
My Rebbi told me that R' Volbe told him that R' Elya Lopian told him that in his day as a Mashgiach, 99% of Bochrim had mz"l. this obvioulsy not to say that they were addicted, did it multiple times or struggled with it for many years, but still.
I heard a figure similar to this, also from someone who heard it directly from R' Volbe. It really helped me at the time, feel so normal. It kind of puts things into perspective.
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16 Feb 2021 11:08
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Hy
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bego wrote on 09 Feb 2021 17:30:
Some people have intimacy issues and then turn to P but that was not the case with me. It made me feel good when I felt down about myself and I just couldn't shake it.
That's definitely something I relate to. Took me a long time to get over that and not use porn as my go to for making myself feel better. Now I use food :-)
Haha I am actually noticing that when i'm on any sort of streak my other vices get magnified. Hopefully i'll learn to have control with those other things when i can kick this addiction!
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15 Feb 2021 08:54
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Striving Avreich
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Lou wrote on 15 Feb 2021 04:34:
I aswell had a wet dream it's not an experience I want to have.
It can be a frustrating patch but what do we expect after useing pornography as an escape for long periods of time?
It's gonna linger around for abit.
I only hope these thoughts and fantasies fade away as we work to be clean from the garbage.
I am not a Rav,therapist( at least not this kinda therapist),or expert in any way. However,regarding wet dreams I don't think you to have blame your previous bad habits. They are a normal part of healthy males lives in (what i think is) your age bracket. Is there an element of Teshuvah that we have to do for it? Yes,but it doesn't come to the levels needed for our other issues
.When discussing Torah personalities an obvious introduction is that we don't understand them at all but just using their lives to learn from them...Yaakov Avinu was praised that Reuven was his first seed. I assume that means it wasn't common by other tzadikim. Do we think ChvSh that they masturbated?? No,it was keri or wet dreams. Meaning that even back then it happened!
I am pretty sure that even those that BH are fairly sheltered in today's world regularly have this issue. Ridding ourselves of this, is something to aspire to,but not something to be overly concerned about.
Hatzlocha!
My Rebbi told me that R' Volbe told him that R' Elya Lopian told him that in his day as a Mashgiach, 99% of Bochrim had mz"l. this obvioulsy not to say that they were addicted, did it multiple times or struggled with it for many years, but still.
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14 Feb 2021 21:12
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DavidT
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Benoni wrote on 14 Feb 2021 21:07:
What is your current goal you are working on and what steps are you taking?
Thank u realestatemogul! Honestly my goal (and I'm not sure rlly sure this qualifies as a goal) is not just to quit p and m but quit my addiction to the internet in general. Realistically tho, I'm setting about to abstain from p and m for the month of Adar.
Steps:
- Installing filters on my devices
- Deleting anything that can cause me to fall from my phone
- Going straight to GYE site anytime I feel I'm about to fall
- Update my thread here regularly for added accountability
- Get a partner on the partner program to talk with
Open to any other ideas anyone has!
Here's a tip Reward yourself if everything went well for a certain amount of time-- Doing this attaches a positive feeling and sense of accomplishment to a goal often associated with negative feelings. This in turn makes it much easier for the person to put in the effort needed to battle his yetzer hora. The reward need not be something large; it can even be a small item such as a pen, book, or certain food. Although this suggestion may sound a little simple, it could be very helpful.
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14 Feb 2021 21:07
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Benoni
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What is your current goal you are working on and what steps are you taking?
Thank u realestatemogul! Honestly my goal (and I'm not sure rlly sure this qualifies as a goal) is not just to quit p and m but quit my addiction to the internet in general. Realistically tho, I'm setting about to abstain from p and m for the month of Adar.
Steps:
- Installing filters on my devices
- Deleting anything that can cause me to fall from my phone
- Going straight to GYE site anytime I feel I'm about to fall
- Update my thread here regularly for added accountability
- Get a partner on the partner program to talk with
Open to any other ideas anyone has!
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14 Feb 2021 15:29
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DavidT
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jewregonnamakeit wrote on 12 Feb 2021 20:55:
Hi everyone. I've been married a few months and have struggled with this addiction for many years. Last year, when I got engaged, I began tracking my progress in breaking free. I've had some moderate success with two 40+ day streaks of sobriety, but unfortunately I haven't been able to continue much longer. I just recently broke a 10 day streak, which was my longest in a while.
I work from home much of the time, which of course isn't helpful. I have some filters going that I just strengthened. Hopefully that will help. I've also admitted my problem to my therapist, the first person I ever told about it. I recently realized that with my streak starting this Shabbos, I will be able to hit 90 days near the first anniversary of my engagement. I hope to turn this into an opportunity.
I'm hoping to keep this thread active for extra accountability. Happy to try any tips anyone has as well. Glad to be a part of this community!
Welcome to GYE! You did a smart move by posting on this great forum.
Here is a tip...
Make this your top priority
If you feel that you’re not making enough progress with breaking free, try making this your very top priority for the next month. If you’re focusing on too many areas of life at once, it’s much harder to give any of them proper attention.
We're looking forward to participating in your journey...
Lot's of HATZLACHA!!
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12 Feb 2021 20:55
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jewregonnamakeit
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Hi everyone. I've been married a few months and have struggled with this addiction for many years. Last year, when I got engaged, I began tracking my progress in breaking free. I've had some moderate success with two 40+ day streaks of sobriety, but unfortunately I haven't been able to continue much longer. I just recently broke a 10 day streak, which was my longest in a while.
I work from home much of the time, which of course isn't helpful. I have some filters going that I just strengthened. Hopefully that will help. I've also admitted my problem to my therapist, the first person I ever told about it. I recently realized that with my streak starting this Shabbos, I will be able to hit 90 days near the first anniversary of my engagement. I hope to turn this into an opportunity.
I'm hoping to keep this thread active for extra accountability. Happy to try any tips anyone has as well. Glad to be a part of this community!
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12 Feb 2021 13:57
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Hakolhevel
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Zedj wrote on 12 Feb 2021 05:40:
I also see some guys posting quotes from Tanya occasionally here, or people saying just learn Chassidus and you will be ok. Which I think, if your mind is unhealthy, it won't work.
I would be very interested in such a thread.
In regards to the above:
There is a website stumptherabbi.org/
There are alot of interesting questions answered in regards to yiddishkeit in general.
The Alter Rebbe says (loose quote), instead of so many chassidim coming for yechidus the Tanya will answer any question a person might have.
So the question arises as @HakoelHevel mentioned, is tanya the answer to our " addiction"?
In one of the videos ( stumptherabbi.org/?s=Tanya )
In short, no. Tanya doesn't replace a therapist. Tanya is for the average guy with a regular yetzer hora.
Thanks Zedj!
To me the big issue when I first got here was reconciling what I believed to be chassidus vs what was being taught here. For a while I thought many people on here where borderline kofrim.
Living with the problem so long, I believed I had all the answers in chassidus and Torah. If only I would truly follow that path I would break free.
After a while I came to realize, not only did I need help, but I never really understood the Torah or Chassidus path. As we know Ein Chavush Mattie Es Atzmo. I read everything In the wrong way. (Or it was taught to me in the wrong way )
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12 Feb 2021 05:40
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Zedj
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I also see some guys posting quotes from Tanya occasionally here, or people saying just learn Chassidus and you will be ok. Which I think, if your mind is unhealthy, it won't work.
I would be very interested in such a thread.
In regards to the above:
There is a website stumptherabbi.org/
There are alot of interesting questions answered in regards to yiddishkeit in general.
The Alter Rebbe says (loose quote), instead of so many chassidim coming for yechidus the Tanya will answer any question a person might have.
So the question arises as @HakoelHevel mentioned, is tanya the answer to our " addiction"?
In one of the videos ( stumptherabbi.org/?s=Tanya )
In short, no. Tanya doesn't replace a therapist. Tanya is for the average guy with a regular yetzer hora.
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09 Feb 2021 14:59
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DavidT
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tahoreiniyim wrote on 08 Feb 2021 20:49:
Hi,
Update- So far im strugglining mightily with my shmires einiyem.
On the street i can completely watch it, but not online.
Even with all of my filteres, there is always something that happens and i see something bad.
Ive been so focused on stopping masturbation that i didnt work just on shmires einiyem for the eyes sake. Everything was focused on not masturbating.
I dont know how to start this new fight and what tools do i use here?
Tool 1 : STOP
make a decision to STOP, just for today. The past is gone, and the future is not in our hands. Deciding to stop does not mean that we won’t ever fall again or that we’ll succeed in staying stopped forever on our first try. However, it does mean that we are committed to trying, by being open minded to internalizing the principles and tools discussed in this program which have helped hundreds, if not thousands, break free. Often we thought that if we would only feed the lust a little bit more and give it what it really wants, it would leave us alone. But it is exactly the opposite. Our sages have said: "There is a small organ in a man, if one feeds it - it is hungry, if one starves it - it is satiated". Although it is hard to stop and we may likely even experience withdrawal symptoms for a while, the more we successfully stay stopped in the short term, the easier it will get in the long term. Knowing this Yesod can make a huge difference. We must realize that the Yetzer Hara/addiction wants our soul, not the pleasure. Otherwise, why is a thousand times never enough? Keep this 12-Step saying in mind: "Just once is too much, and a thousand times is never enough." The Steipler Gaon points out in the first volume of Krayna D'igrisah that anyone who keeps away from these forbidden pleasures is promised to receive the pleasures of life from other areasinstead. And it follows that those who accept upon themselves the suffering that breaking-free entails, will save themselves much suffering in other areas of life. Once we have decided we want to STOP, just for today, we are ready to read the rest of this handbook to learn the many tools, tips and techniques that can help us STAY STOPPED.
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