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02 Feb 2023 16:21

DavidT

bmgporn wrote on 02 Feb 2023 14:58:

the.guard wrote on 21 Jan 2023 17:20:
Dear Yid, the fact you stare at other women and want them even though you have a pretty wife, doesn't make you a sex addict. Probably everyone on this site is struggling with looking at other women and fantasizing about them, especially after looking at porn many times - the brain begins to objectify women wherever you see them. But you would only be a sex addict if you are acting on these desires. Please share (without details) what your actual acting out looks like, and why you want to stop. Hopefully the chevra here can offer encouragement and advice, and the Flight to Freedom program can give you tools and a clear path out of this slavery to Pharaoh in Mitzrayim. 

I apologize in advance but this makes no sense! If someone cant stop thinking about sex and jerking off then even if he doesnt do it he is addicted to fantasy.

This topic has been discussed and debated on this forum many times... 

In a nutshell, a habit is a learned and ingrained association between a stimulus (or incentive) and a response (or behavioral reaction) manifested consciously or subconsciously to achieve a goal. Addiction is more complex. It's a disease that manifests symptoms of intense craving, loss of impulse control, and behavioral flexibility. Unlike a habit like brushing teeth, the addict has almost no control over his or her desire to repeatedly engage in the addiction. Even when addictive substance abuse negatively affects your relationships, job, and health, you are unable to stop the behavior.

Because it can be difficult to recognize the underlying source that drives these negative behaviors, diagnosing addiction can be challenging. Understanding the difference between a bad habit and addiction is key.

If a behavior is negatively affecting your life and happiness, it seems obvious that you should stop, right? Unfortunately, it’s not that simple. If you live with addiction, stopping on your own will feel next to impossible. The physical withdrawal symptoms and period of emotional transition most often require support and an integrated treatment plan. Addiction can be a life-threatening illness. It is critical to seek professional help.

Category: Introduce Yourself
02 Feb 2023 16:15

DavidT

bmgporn wrote on 02 Feb 2023 14:33:
Does anyone have any experience with a SA group or a SMART recovery group? Whats the difference? Which one is better?

12-step support groups are helpful to people who are trying to overcome an unhealthy addiction or dependence on substances.  They give people who have similar problems a way to share their experience, strength and hope with each other.  The actual "twelve steps" are principles for living. The original 12-step group is Alcoholics Anonymous (AA).

SMART Recovery is a science-based approach to overcoming addiction. Different from the familiar format of the 12-steps, SMART Recovery emphasizes focus on what the person themselves can accomplish, rather than turning the ability to overcome addiction over to the influence of a higher power. Many people feel more relaxed and comfortable with the program's secular design and self-empowering approach.

It's not a matter of "better or worse". The main thing is the persons commitment to working a program and being accountable for his actions. 
Category: Introduce Yourself
02 Feb 2023 14:58

bmgporn

the.guard wrote on 21 Jan 2023 17:20:
Dear Yid, the fact you stare at other women and want them even though you have a pretty wife, doesn't make you a sex addict. Probably everyone on this site is struggling with looking at other women and fantasizing about them, especially after looking at porn many times - the brain begins to objectify women wherever you see them. But you would only be a sex addict if you are acting on these desires. Please share (without details) what your actual acting out looks like, and why you want to stop. Hopefully the chevra here can offer encouragement and advice, and the Flight to Freedom program can give you tools and a clear path out of this slavery to Pharaoh in Mitzrayim. 

I apologize in advance but this makes no sense! If someone cant stop thinking about sex and jerking off then even if he doesnt do it he is addicted to fantasy.
Category: Introduce Yourself
02 Feb 2023 09:49

Shmuel

Geshmak! wrote on 02 Feb 2023 02:55:

Shmuel wrote on 01 Feb 2023 15:39:

Geshmak! wrote on 01 Feb 2023 14:46:
Let me try to be a little more clear.
basically I have done crazy dangerous silly foolish stuff because of my sex drive. Which means that I’m a addict( I can’t go into details but things that could’ve destroyed my life and the life of my family) but I bh never hooked up with anybody (even though I was close) and at sa a lot or maybe most have been with others and by me being there and hearing how others did it and how they felt before ( I won’t even hear the second half how they felt after) I will get very triggered and probably will cv fall into the worst. But in a way if I’m addict I need to know how to control myself and how to live life as an addict. Like if I’m gonna be in a situation when I have access to bad stuff or worse will I be able to control myself??? So what a גוי would do is go fall 20 times do the worst of the worst and hit the rock bottom and then see for himself that he can’t live with out sa 12 step. But I’m bh a yid and I can’t do that. So I was really stuck and I couldn’t decided what to do so I spoke to people with a lot of experience and I am in touch with them. But yes I wish to join sa and get helped it for now it won’t help me it probably will make me worse r’l… but I’m not giving up on a clean life! Yes addicted or not I’m a Jew and my father in haven which made become a addict gave a Torah with rules and this apply even for addicts. And he will give me the kiach j need to fight my addiction ( cause I CANT do it myself) H’ which split the ים סוף will split my problems and let me free of my מצרים.  Bhy!!
but I have to do mine to be careful and watch that I don’t fall again so I was mekabul on myself for the next 40 days to say אלקי נשמה and in the week days the יהי רצון from before putting on my תפלין in side my סדור and think the words and have in mind what I’m saying. 
Thank you everyone for just being here to listen to me. This platform is not stam just that a person can type hes problems and get it off hes chest is enough ( besides all the chizuk and ideas that come out of this Heligah site!!!) Kol tov!!

My experience in SA has been VERY different then what you describe.Happy to chat if you'd like.

Wishing you tons of Hatzlacha 

אמן!!!
What do you mean by chat, Pm?

Sure.
or publicly.
happy to answer any questions 
02 Feb 2023 02:55

Geshmak!

Shmuel wrote on 01 Feb 2023 15:39:

Geshmak! wrote on 01 Feb 2023 14:46:
Let me try to be a little more clear.
basically I have done crazy dangerous silly foolish stuff because of my sex drive. Which means that I’m a addict( I can’t go into details but things that could’ve destroyed my life and the life of my family) but I bh never hooked up with anybody (even though I was close) and at sa a lot or maybe most have been with others and by me being there and hearing how others did it and how they felt before ( I won’t even hear the second half how they felt after) I will get very triggered and probably will cv fall into the worst. But in a way if I’m addict I need to know how to control myself and how to live life as an addict. Like if I’m gonna be in a situation when I have access to bad stuff or worse will I be able to control myself??? So what a גוי would do is go fall 20 times do the worst of the worst and hit the rock bottom and then see for himself that he can’t live with out sa 12 step. But I’m bh a yid and I can’t do that. So I was really stuck and I couldn’t decided what to do so I spoke to people with a lot of experience and I am in touch with them. But yes I wish to join sa and get helped it for now it won’t help me it probably will make me worse r’l… but I’m not giving up on a clean life! Yes addicted or not I’m a Jew and my father in haven which made become a addict gave a Torah with rules and this apply even for addicts. And he will give me the kiach j need to fight my addiction ( cause I CANT do it myself) H’ which split the ים סוף will split my problems and let me free of my מצרים.  Bhy!!
but I have to do mine to be careful and watch that I don’t fall again so I was mekabul on myself for the next 40 days to say אלקי נשמה and in the week days the יהי רצון from before putting on my תפלין in side my סדור and think the words and have in mind what I’m saying. 
Thank you everyone for just being here to listen to me. This platform is not stam just that a person can type hes problems and get it off hes chest is enough ( besides all the chizuk and ideas that come out of this Heligah site!!!) Kol tov!!

My experience in SA has been VERY different then what you describe.Happy to chat if you'd like.

Wishing you tons of Hatzlacha 

אמן!!!
What do you mean by chat, Pm?
01 Feb 2023 15:39

Shmuel

Geshmak! wrote on 01 Feb 2023 14:46:
Let me try to be a little more clear.
basically I have done crazy dangerous silly foolish stuff because of my sex drive. Which means that I’m a addict( I can’t go into details but things that could’ve destroyed my life and the life of my family) but I bh never hooked up with anybody (even though I was close) and at sa a lot or maybe most have been with others and by me being there and hearing how others did it and how they felt before ( I won’t even hear the second half how they felt after) I will get very triggered and probably will cv fall into the worst. But in a way if I’m addict I need to know how to control myself and how to live life as an addict. Like if I’m gonna be in a situation when I have access to bad stuff or worse will I be able to control myself??? So what a גוי would do is go fall 20 times do the worst of the worst and hit the rock bottom and then see for himself that he can’t live with out sa 12 step. But I’m bh a yid and I can’t do that. So I was really stuck and I couldn’t decided what to do so I spoke to people with a lot of experience and I am in touch with them. But yes I wish to join sa and get helped it for now it won’t help me it probably will make me worse r’l… but I’m not giving up on a clean life! Yes addicted or not I’m a Jew and my father in haven which made become a addict gave a Torah with rules and this apply even for addicts. And he will give me the kiach j need to fight my addiction ( cause I CANT do it myself) H’ which split the ים סוף will split my problems and let me free of my מצרים.  Bhy!!
but I have to do mine to be careful and watch that I don’t fall again so I was mekabul on myself for the next 40 days to say אלקי נשמה and in the week days the יהי רצון from before putting on my תפלין in side my סדור and think the words and have in mind what I’m saying. 
Thank you everyone for just being here to listen to me. This platform is not stam just that a person can type hes problems and get it off hes chest is enough ( besides all the chizuk and ideas that come out of this Heligah site!!!) Kol tov!!

My experience in SA has been VERY different then what you describe.Happy to chat if you'd like.

Wishing you tons of Hatzlacha 
01 Feb 2023 14:46

Geshmak!

Let me try to be a little more clear.
basically I have done crazy dangerous silly foolish stuff because of my sex drive. Which means that I’m a addict( I can’t go into details but things that could’ve destroyed my life and the life of my family) but I bh never hooked up with anybody (even though I was close) and at sa a lot or maybe most have been with others and by me being there and hearing how others did it and how they felt before ( I won’t even hear the second half how they felt after) I will get very triggered and probably will cv fall into the worst. But in a way if I’m addict I need to know how to control myself and how to live life as an addict. Like if I’m gonna be in a situation when I have access to bad stuff or worse will I be able to control myself??? So what a גוי would do is go fall 20 times do the worst of the worst and hit the rock bottom and then see for himself that he can’t live with out sa 12 step. But I’m bh a yid and I can’t do that. So I was really stuck and I couldn’t decided what to do so I spoke to people with a lot of experience and I am in touch with them. But yes I wish to join sa and get helped it for now it won’t help me it probably will make me worse r’l… but I’m not giving up on a clean life! Yes addicted or not I’m a Jew and my father in haven which made become a addict gave a Torah with rules and this apply even for addicts. And he will give me the kiach j need to fight my addiction ( cause I CANT do it myself) H’ which split the ים סוף will split my problems and let me free of my מצרים.  Bhy!!
but I have to do mine to be careful and watch that I don’t fall again so I was mekabul on myself for the next 40 days to say אלקי נשמה and in the week days the יהי רצון from before putting on my תפלין in side my סדור and think the words and have in mind what I’m saying. 
Thank you everyone for just being here to listen to me. This platform is not stam just that a person can type hes problems and get it off hes chest is enough ( besides all the chizuk and ideas that come out of this Heligah site!!!) Kol tov!!
01 Feb 2023 05:24

Geshmak!

Markz wrote on 01 Feb 2023 04:48:

Geshmak! wrote on 01 Feb 2023 04:26:
Thx so much for your chizuk!!
basically I’m a clinical sex addicted and the real only cure for me would be to go to sa but for now I can’t join

There’s a well known segula that helps for this. 

You say these words 3 times and watch the magic happen as you speak!!

the real only cure for me would be to go to sa but honestly I don’t want to join

Believe me I want to join! My life would be so much better and calmer… I don’t really want to discuss this on a public forum but basically my sponsor told me I’ll learn to much bad and not take out to much from the program. Because I’m addict that didn’t do to much like get to rock bottom (bh) so I don’t feel I need 12 steps to save my life and he says that to have success in sa is only if your really into it and feel you can’t live life with out it. I spoke to my therapist and Hhm about it it’s a long story. I’m actually reading the book and like it but I wish to be part of a group that can understand me or even talk to one other sex addict that relates to me and my struggles ( like my wife just can’t understand why I can control myself) my sponsor said he’ll try to get me a partner to read the book with but so far he hadn’t found anybody. But I’m not giving up! I have he’s number and he told me to call him when I feel I can’t live with out 12 sep program but I hope not to get their. 
it’s not so clear what I’m writing but if you would be involved in this I think you would understand.
01 Feb 2023 04:48

Markz

Geshmak! wrote on 01 Feb 2023 04:26:
Thx so much for your chizuk!!
basically I’m a clinical sex addicted and the real only cure for me would be to go to sa but for now I can’t join

There’s a well known segula that helps for this. 

You say these words 3 times and watch the magic happen as you speak!!

the real only cure for me would be to go to sa but honestly I don’t want to join
01 Feb 2023 04:26

Geshmak!

Thx so much for your chizuk!!
basically I’m a clinical sex addicted and the real only cure for me would be to go to sa but for now I can’t join. So I really got to be careful with not having access to any form of stimulation cause if I do I seriously can’t control. But I’m not giving up! No way! Im gonna now bhy get to day 90 I got there before and I’m gonna get there again with H’s help! Im gonna focus more on עשה טוב more than on staying away from עשה רע,in other words I’m gonna make kablahs on doing good stuff and מימאלה I’ll have power to over come my crazy fire of lust. 
btw I don’t really get this whole karma thing but it’s interesting that yesterday I saw I went from 4 to 3 I don’t really care if I don’t have high number but I felt bad that someone put down my number like was upset or whatever with me. But today when I came on I saw it was back to 4 I felt good I think someone must of realized that someone put down and he put it back up so I shouldn’t feel bad… thank you so much you made me feel good. I don’t know who you ar but you know who you are… you should be gebentcht!!
27 Jan 2023 16:57

Tom Hanofel

Hi everyone,

Before even getting to know anyone of you (now "us"), I want to extend a personal thank you to each and every individual here. The mere knowing that I have you is giving me a ray of hope. 

Now, concurrently to the above sentiment, I'm super nervous to be here. It's the fear of the unknown and the fear of vulnerability. 

My story is likely not much conceptually different than yours, and as such:
1. You can relate to me (which already feels good), and
2. You understand that being here is ITSELF a HUGE step and commendable (which also calms me down and gives me something to feel good about).

Long story short, I am afraid to use the word "addicted" on a public forum but nonetheless (hoping to stay "safe") I must admit that this war is extremely difficult. I experience a lot of pain on a daily basis from doing and from battling not to do. On top of it all, the shame and blame are often paralyzing. 

I joined GYE 5 years ago, but haven't been on it. I was living the conflict of "not wanting to get out of it". I still live this conflict! But, the other side of me said to give this another shot. With this - I gathered the courage to reach out to ya all and say hi and thank you for welcoming me. 

I look forward!
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Jan 2023 05:17

Markz

Geshmak! wrote on 27 Jan 2023 04:48:
A person needs a lot of Siyatta Dishmaya to find a good therapist and also that he should he be able to help you. I started going to therapy recently ( long story how I ended up there, maybe I’ll post abt it a different time when I get some extra time in my life) and I davened very strongly to H’ that he should be the right shilyach to help me. And bh I’m having major progress and finding out amazing things about myself that is really helping me in all aspects in my life. I’m opening up to old painful Periods in my life. Like being bullied in my class and getting blamed from my parents for it… ouch ! It heart and I actually forget long ago about it but together with my therapist I remember it and I remembered that the way I would escape the pain was by going in to a different world a world of fake a world of fantasies were everything is just so beautiful… it’s a long story and I don’t got the time but I basically got so addicted to living in the fantasy world that when I grow up the second I have tough moments I just go there. Whatever I really got to right my whole story maybe one day. But my point is that therapy works but you just need a lot of SiyattaDishmaya to be matzlich! So take out a tehilem before next time  you go and say some chapters with all your heart to your father in haven and bhy you’ll see amazing results!!
Btw it can take time to see results like I was getting nervous after two weeks of not seeing progress ( I’m that impatient type) but I bh saw pretty fast after . But 6 months is a long time. So it can be frustrating especially when you’re paying top dollar. So I really hope you see success really fast! Love ya! Good luck ! And have a beautiful shabbos!!

Amazing that you’re getting the help you need. 

People are not Trucks. You open the hood, turn a switch, slam dunk, and keep on trucking. It doesn’t work like that - there’s no one size fits all therapist / therapy modality. 

We each need something else. 
Someone once said “You know why 6 million Jews died in the holocaust? There’s 6 million reasons”

Sometimes it means the therapist isn’t the right fit, but many times it’s a matter of taking time. And then for others therapy isn’t enough - they can do with SA meetings etc. 

iwannalivereal I hope you find what you need - in good time. 

KOTYT

Keep On Trucking YOUR Truck
Category: Break Free
27 Jan 2023 04:48

Geshmak!

A person needs a lot of Siyatta Dishmaya to find a good therapist and also that he should he be able to help you. I started going to therapy recently ( long story how I ended up there, maybe I’ll post abt it a different time when I get some extra time in my life) and I davened very strongly to H’ that he should be the right shilyach to help me. And bh I’m having major progress and finding out amazing things about myself that is really helping me in all aspects in my life. I’m opening up to old painful Periods in my life. Like being bullied in my class and getting blamed from my parents for it… ouch ! It heart and I actually forget long ago about it but together with my therapist I remember it and I remembered that the way I would escape the pain was by going in to a different world a world of fake a world of fantasies were everything is just so beautiful… it’s a long story and I don’t got the time but I basically got so addicted to living in the fantasy world that when I grow up the second I have tough moments I just go there. Whatever I really got to right my whole story maybe one day. But my point is that therapy works but you just need a lot of SiyattaDishmaya to be matzlich! So take out a tehilem before next time  you go and say some chapters with all your heart to your father in haven and bhy you’ll see amazing results!!
Btw it can take time to see results like I was getting nervous after two weeks of not seeing progress ( I’m that impatient type) but I bh saw pretty fast after . But 6 months is a long time. So it can be frustrating especially when your paying top dollar. So I really hope you see success really fast! Love ya! Good luck ! And have a beautiful shabbos!!
Category: Break Free
26 Jan 2023 23:16

Teshuvahguy

Face the challenge wrote on 23 May 2022 02:22:
As I near my 50th day clean I decided that number one I’m going to share my full story (sorry if it’s a little long) and number two I’m going to start a thread on the forum specifically for bochrim. Why. Because I’m a bachur just like you and I know that the chizuk that you can get from someone who’s in the same situation as you can propel you to new heights. It’s my hope that all the bochrim on GYE will make use fo this thread so that we can get continuous chizuk from each other. Well here goes.


A long time ago…when I was about seven or eight years old I was exposed to porn. It was from my older siblings who are unfortunately otd. Being as young as I was, I “knew” it was wrong but I didn’t really get it. As far as I could tell this is what my older siblings, my role models, were doing in their free time. Of course I wouldn’t ever dream of telling my parents on them. How could I? As time went on I would spend time alone with myself. In my room, in the shower, in the bathroom etc. and I would masturbate. This wasn’t really with bad intentions as I was still to young to really understand the ramifications of what I was doing.

Fast forward a few years and I’m getting bar mitzvah. I get tefillin a new hat, a new suit, and I’m ready to join adulthood. But I still got this secret that no one knows about. (By this time I knew it was wrong to be masturbating and watching porn). I decided that with my bar mitzvah I’m going to stop. A fresh new start for me. I’m sure you can guess what happened. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I continued on in my bad ways for the next two years.

Comes along time for high school and at this point in my life my body is in full lust mode. I decided (with my parents) to go out of town for mesivta so that I wouldn’t be around my siblings for them to have a bad influence me. I’m kinda laughing in the inside because I know it’s too late. It’s not just my siblings who are otd. It’s me. But being that I’m the pride and joy of the family, the “frum” one, I just couldn’t let my parents down. I projected an amazing outside image and I was afraid of anyone finding out what was really going on in the inside. So off to high school I went and these were some of the darkest years in my life. In short my daily routine would be that during shachris I would always be taking my tefillin off, going to the bathroom to masturbate, and then coming back, put my tefillin on and make it seem like nothing had happened. On to shiur, i would sit there fantasizing about all the worst things under the sun and then I would “go to the bathroom” again and masturbate. This is how it went for two years. I didn’t really care about hashem, didn’t care about learning, didn’t really connect to my rebbeim, but all along I was projecting the image of one of the top bachrim in the yeshiva. Mind you for the first two years of high school I only had a phone with talk and text so I couldn’t watch porn while I was in yeshiva but that didn’t stop me from fantasizing, masturbating, and running to the computer every off shabbos the moment that I came home so that I could go find my fantasies and fill my head with videos for the next few weeks.

Then 11th grade hit. I was smart. I ordered a 35 dollar smartphone that would work with my SIM card. No one had to know about it. I would keep my other phone around when I was at home and hand in my dumb phone when I got to yeshiva (after removing the SIM card to put in my smartphone). This was a real treat for me. I finally had access to porn in yeshiva and with that I would lay in my bed every night while my roommates were sleeping and watch and watch and watch until I would masturbate, fall asleep, and repeat the next day. But don’t forget. I’m still a top bachur who  people in yeshiva look up to.
Fast forward a few months and I’m in 12th grade. I got a moment of inspiration.  I decided that I really need to pull my life together. I couldn’t continue on like this. I was ruining my life and I knew it. I smashed my smartphone. It felt great. I felt like I had just won my life back and with that I started anew. I was on top of the world. This was the new me. Ready to change once and for all. And that lasted until I went home for the next off shabbos upon which i encountered a whole hose filled with unfiltered devices and I didn’t even last an hour. I was a goner. I felt horribly guilty. How could I go back to watching porn and masturbating?? I had just smashed my smartphone. What happened to me. I made a kabala/promise that I would never do it again. As I’m sure you already know this didn’t last to long. I repeated this process of falling and repeating to promise for the whole year. It was horrible. I knew that I would never be able to get out of this vicious cycle but that didn’t stop me from making promise after promise after promise. I was the biggest rasha in the world, but the pride and joy of my parents. Their son, their from son who made them so proud of his learning in yeshiva. He was such a tzadik and they got so much nachas. I’m sure you can imagine the pain that I went through at these times. There’s nothing like someone praising you while you know that you are really the most horrible person to walk the planet. (And of course I think I’m the only one who’s struggling…).

I decide to go to Israel for yeshiva. This time I was going to do it right. I got a strict kosher phone and went off to yeshiva. I started getting turned on to Judaism in a way that I had never felt before. I was really connecting. That Elul in first year I shteiged so much. I was clean from p and m for the whole zman. I had heartfelt tefilos on rosh hashana and Yom Kippur and I was sure that this time I really made it. (If you are still reading this-thank you(-: ) I really had sincere tshuva and I promised hashem that i was done. And I really meant it. But then bein hazmanim hit in Israel. With no structure and a hot climate I slowly but surely started slipping. I was outside and would stare a little to long at the girls walking by. I would go to the separate beaches but on the way there I made sure to feast my eyes on the coed beach. There was nothing rationale about what I was doing and I knew it. But I didn’t stop. I fell. I fell hard and this just made me sink down into  a deeper feeling of guilt. I had just come off of my best Yom Kippur davening and I was right back to where I started. I recommitted to winter zman and I shteiged alot. Mind you I would fall here and there but I was in a much better place then when I got to yeshiva. Fast forward to pesach break. Im sitting in the airport trying my best not to look around at all the unclad people there. I had not been exposed to immodestly dressed women since sukkos and I was able to a pretty good job at guarding my eyes. I felt accomplished. I said to myself that this vacation I’m going to do it. I’m going to pass by without falling into the trap of the yetzer hara. I won’t watch porn. I’m not going to masturbate. I was on guard the whole flight home and I felt accomplished. I really did a good job.

I get home and I’m exhausted so I tell my parents good night and head up to my room to go to sleep. Then I see it. I see an iPod touch in my room and I say to myself don’t do it. Don’t pick it up. Just go to sleep and feel good in the morning. But then my “yetzer tov” spoke up. “Remember that shiur that you were listening to on YouTube from that rabbi that you really liked hearing. Why don’t you find another shiur from him and listen to it until you fall asleep. There’s nothing better then listening to torah while falling asleep…” So I picked it up and got down to listening to a shiur. As I go scrolling through the videos looking for some more shiurim to listen to I end up flying past several extremely immodestly dressed women. Be it advertising or the ‘next video suggestion’ but whatever it is it triggers me. I eventually decide that there’s nothing wrong with getting a little entertainment so I go on AGT to watch some magicians. To put it simply the judges aren’t dressed to the standards of a bas yisrael. It escalated very quickly from there and before I knew it I was typing in my favorite porn site to the browser. I told myself don’t do it. Stop. But all rationale thought was gone. I fell. I fell real bad. For the rest of break I fell a few times a day. And I would keep promising myself that it would stop. But it never worked. I dug myself deeper and deeper into my hole and I was got super depressed.
In short this is what happened for the rest of my years in Israel. I would be mostly fine during the zman with a fall here and there and then bein hazmanim I was done for. I’m sure this is familiar to you. But the hardest part for me wasn’t the falls. It was much worse. It was the fact that I was my parents nachas. Their pride and joy that they have a frum child who likes learning. All they would ever see is their son who’s growing and growing. And when they would give me a bracha on Friday night I knew that there were always thinking of my older siblings and how they were so proud that they at least had me. I was ashamed. Mortified. I couldn’t believe how I deceived them. But this wasn’t the only problem that came about from my p and m habits. As a result of my “addiction” I would never have real conversations with Rebbeim. I had no connection to them. I just felt that I wasn’t worthy to talk to them. I had no one in my life that I could talk to. I was all alone with no way out from porn. To further bring on the pain, while I watched my friends grow in their learning and grow yiras hashem, I watched myself sit on the sidelines because I never had really invested into my learning and I could see the gap getting bigger and bigger. This is what I came home to after being in Israel for a few years.

These feelings of being all alone in the world while everyone thought that I was a top guy who’s ready to become something big. It was comical how many people were telling me that I should go into shidduchim. I just pushed them away saying that I wanted a few more years to learn while in truth i needed a few more years to put my life together.

This past bein hazmanim I fell in one of the worst ways that I could. I went to a level that I had never gone to before and I’m to embarrassed to say what i did. But it was bad. And I was so depressed and angry at myself. Immediately after my fall I talked to hashem. I said to him that I’m not going to ask forgiveness. I had played that game to many times. I said that I was going to commit to find a way out and only after I had done something different, something to show that this wasnt the same me who was asking forgiveness and making more empty promises, only then I would ask for forgiveness. For a way to start again. I went on to google and I started searching for people who had broken free from porn addictions.

It’s been 49 days since I discovered gye that night. And I’ve been clean since. I would sit there for hours reading the forum of all the people who were going through the same exact struggles as me. It was so comforting hearing people over and over and over describing the same exact issues that I had. I couldn’t believe it. I wasn’t the only one. I used all the free time that I used to watch porn and instead just kept going back onto gye. (I clocked in over 40 hours in one week which would have otherwise probably been used for porn.) Bh I slowly started pulling myself out of the muck that I was in. I made real safeguards for myself in the areas that I used to slip the most and I’ve been focusing all my efforts in making sure that the yetzer hara doesn’t get his foot in the door because I know that if he does I won’t win. (I’ll post later what these included…) I eventually got on the phone after 5 days of internal struggle back and forth with myself and back and forth again. I called HHM to get help. I wanted to know what else I should know to make sure I wouldn’t fall back into this problem. He is so knowledgeable and gave me over an hour on the phone. I can’t thank him enough for the time he gave me or for the encouragement and inspiration to keep going. He put everything that I was doing into a real life perspective and made me realize that I can really do this.

I’m here in yeshiva in America now and while i still struggle in that my learning abilities are behind my friends, and I don’t yet have a strong relationship with rebbeim, I take comfort in the fact that I’m putting my life together again one day at a time. I’ll move onto to figure out the other areas of my life later. I got to go one step at time. Ones day at a time. Im sure with hashems help I’ll get there. It’s been a journey of 14-15 years but I hope and pray that this is the last stop. 

To hashem. I haven’t asked forgiveness since 49 days ago because I knew that I had to come and show that I was different. Is 49 days clean good enough. Will I be forgiven? I can only beg of you to forgive me and help me fight every single day to face this challenge. I know it’s not going to be easy but I’m doing this for you. I want to get a real connection to you. Please let me come back.

To all my friends at gye. You guys are what kept me going this whole time. Never stop posting and giving chizuk to others. You don’t know who you can impact. It doesn’t matter if people don’t always respond. There will always be people like me who are reading your posts to get chizuk and fight our yetzer hara. 
to gye-you are angels sent from heaven to help us all come back to hashem. May hashem give you much success in helping many others out of their situation.

You are an amazing guy. You ARE your parent’s nachas. Look at how hard you have been fighting. All alone for so long. You never gave up in all those years. You are NOT your nisayon. That is not what I see. I see a holy bachur who got caught at a very early age in a trap that is incredibly difficult to escape. But you are doing it. You are pulling yourself out. Every clean day is a win. No fall can negate those wins. Keep going. You will eventually kick this. I feel the fire in your belly. You will succeed. Right, guys? Here, we have a winner! Hatzlacha. Thanks for sharing your story. I’m really pulling for you to see amazing success.

TG. 
25 Jan 2023 14:05

DavidT

nk20 wrote on 25 Jan 2023 13:31:
I don't know if anyone else has experienced my challenge... out of the window of one of my rooms I can see a woman from next door getting undressed.  When my wife is not clean I go to that window and look at her.  My fall comes after watching her.  This is not porn, but the original problem of shemiras eynaim.  Has anyone got any tips or ideas of how to keep myself safe?

Wow, that's a real tough nisayon! Seems that Hashem trusts you that you have what it takes to overcome this BE"H.

Let's think together. 

1- On a practical level, what can you do to make it more difficult to look out of that window? Cover the glass with contact paper? Lock the window with a screw?

2- The "nuclear" option would be to tell your wife about this (if it's at all an option). Like Rav Amram did. 
The Gemara in Kidushin 81a brings the following story of Rav Amram Raban Shel Chassidim:

Some women who had been taken captive were redeemed and brought to Nehardai. They were kept in the attic of Rav Amram the Chasid and the ladder was removed. At night, a beam of light reflected off one of the women, revealing her beauty. Rav Amram was seized with lust and he moved the ladder (which normally needed 10 people to move it) and began to ascend. As he was halfway up, he screamed "Nura Bei Amram - There is a fire in Rav Amram's house!" and the Rabanan flocked to his house. After they saw that there was no fire they said to him "You embarrassed us (with your behavior)!". Answered Rav Amram: "It is better to suffer embarrassment in this world than in the next".

Please see tool #9 of the GuardYourEyes handbook where we use this story as one of the strongest demonstrations in Chazal of the power of "human accountability", and how we should not to rely on "Fear of Heaven" alone when dealing with lust. After all, even the biggest Tzadik and Chasid like Rav Amram, was forced to use human accountability when faced head-on with lust. (And a lust addict is faced head-on with lust many times a day!)l


3-  There is another lesson to take from this story. When Rav Amram broke through and regained control, he didn’t just go down the ladder or even just leave his house. Rather, he did something that ended his test, even though it brought him great embarrassment. Why? Why didn’t he just leave?

The answer is that Rav Amram realized that a real part of him desperately wanted to sin. He had been overwhelmed and barely managed to break free. He knew this sudden resurgence of determination would not last long. The desires raged within him, and it was only a matter of time before his willpower would crack. If the situation was not over by then, no matter how far away he would be, he would just return and sin. Realizing he would only win if his test concluded right away, Rav Amram did what it took to end it.

This is a hard lesson to put into practice. When part of us wants to give in and we are barely hanging on with our fading willpower, we don’t want to end the test. We don’t want to give up our “great opportunity” to get what we desire, because we want it. At that point, we want to fulfill the desire; we don’t want it to go away. We surely don’t want to create a situation where we will long to give in but be unable to, and certainly don’t want to embarrass ourselves or sacrifice something important to make it end. To pull this off, we must go against our nature. We will have to get past this discomfort — whether it is evident or subconscious — to make the right choice. It definitely isn’t easy.

Sometimes, we can even stop an entire series of challenges with just one action. One such example is Internet-related challenges. As long as we haven’t been sucked in too far, we can permanently end the challenge by eliminating our ability to give in. And even if we have stumbled and awakened our desires, and they won’t completely go away just by removing what tempts us, we still benefit greatly. We lose a major trigger for our desires as well as much of our ability to give in.

If we can muster the strength to end such challenges despite the overwhelming difficulty, the payoff is enormous. We will be rewarded for having won every battle we avoided. Removing our ability to succumb is a phenomenal achievement.

This method can help you win the most difficult challenges. First, figure out what your weak spot is. Then, determine whether there is a way to avoid the trigger or to eliminate your ability to sin. It is so hard, but gather your strength and do what needs to be done. You will bask in your incredible accomplishment forever.

We must realize that whenever we need to use willpower to stop ourselves, we can only hold on for so long. As the battle goes on, we weaken and our desires increase. We can hang on for a while — longer than we think — but it is a matter of time until we are overpowered. We will only win if the situation ends or our desires calm down. But we avoid all this when we remove our ability to sin.

Ending the challenge guarantees success. It is the only way to ensure that we won’t eventually succumb. Therefore, if it is possible, it must be done! We might regret it right after, as our desires desperately lash out, but it will be too late — we will no longer be able to sin. Eventually, our desires will calm down and we will realize what we just accomplished. We will be so proud of what we pulled off in the face of great difficulty, and we will see that we didn’t miss out on anything.

To attain self-control, we need both desire to win and strong willpower. Using both in tandem will help us reach unfathomable heights

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