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08 Aug 2022 15:58

Markz

Hopeful2022 wrote on 08 Aug 2022 13:56:
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. While the 5 days was great, it was also a time that I was completely disgusted with my actions and was excited about what GYE had to offer. The problem began to resurface in earnest about day 3, as the novelty and shame began to dissipate. I hung on for two more days and those are the days of which I was proudest. 
After this last weekend, I feel that I am lower than when I started, and the shame and disgust that I feel right now should get me through the next few days at least. If I can get to day 6 or beyond, that will be amazing.

I know that I need to build walls/doors/locks to the internet. that is where all my problems stem from. I have never cheated on my wife or been with a prostitute. Getting rid of my smartphone would help a great deal, but it is not practical in my life. I can and will get rid of my computer and iPad. 

What I have to done is fill my time with Torah and learning. I do not live in a frum area and have not been very observant in my life. I am surrounded by filth and have swam in its dirty waters for decades. I need to live a much more observant life in every aspect. I know what to do, I just can't seem to do it.. I am not giving up... What choice do I have??

Thanks for letting me ramble


Brother your story is gonna get lost if it’s on very different pages. I suggest you keep your story on 1 thread. Next time simply click ‘reply’ instead of creating a new thread.

Works for you?

Keep on Trucking bro 
04 Aug 2022 20:35

Kavey

My friend, you are a mevakesh Hashem and I feel honored to be able to converse with you here.

For myself, I can't say that I've experienced exactly what you're describing but I do know for myself that in hand-to-hand combat with the yetzer hara the yetzer hara always wins. It might be right away or might be days, weeks etc. but it will happen.

There are many opinions and approaches on this site (addicts, non-addicts, filters, finding the right motivation, mentors etc.) but I think they all boil down to having the right tools for the fight. So do your research, gear up and keep on trucking!
24 Jul 2022 19:13

Markz

fishel klien wrote on 24 Jul 2022 18:45:
BH is getting better, I'm 19 days clean

Sounds good. 

Have you shared your story with a coach / therapist?

You see there’s this famous guy Fishel Klein on R’ Eli Stefanskys daf Shiur. Is that you?

I heard R’ Eli has a line something to the effect of “It’s not about the Daf, it’s about the Yomi”. 
For the DafYomi project it’s good. 
For sobriety it’s not.

Being in recovery is made up of 2 things. #1 Today - of course!
#2 working a program. What’s a ‘program’? It varies from person to person

If you work a program 3 days a week and that gives you long term success, that’s the way to go. 

If you have no real plan but you keep logging into gye 7 days a week or log “I didn’t fall today YAY”, that can oftentimes give zero long term results…

Make sense?

Keep on Trucking!
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12 Jul 2022 00:49

Face the challenge

Striving4more wrote on 11 Jul 2022 18:33:
I've been on the DL since I've joined earlier this year. I made it to 60 days my first go-around before having a fall (went through a bad break-up that spiraled into a weeks-long binge). B"H the last 87 days have flown by, I really can't believe that 90 is around the corner in just three more days. I know myself, and feel that I've been too passive in how I've made it to this point. I happen to have had a very packed schedule recently, which B"H has kept my head focused on positive things and without too much downtime to allow for any p + m. My learning schedule early in the morning also helps aid this as I force myself to go to sleep early at night, again cutting down the "prime time" for falls to occur. Despite all this, I feel like once I breach that 90-day mark, my motivation is going to flatline. After months of ghosting this wonderful website and being inspired by so many of you, I am making a commitment to keep an updated account of what I'm going through starting on Day 90 to ensure I keep this up be"H as long as possible. 
Would love to hear any advice from anyone who has made it past the 90-day mark to keep it up. 
Thank you all! 

     First of all gotta wish you congratulations on this! You are incredible!! Keep up the good work and I can’t wait to hear you start posting after day 90! Im sure you will be a big chizuk to the other members of gye!! Secondly, I can’t speak so much from experience post 90 days as im not so far beyond 90 myself but there are a few things that i thought of along the way.
     One thing which is always important to remember is that 90 was and never will be the end goal. 90 days (besides for your neuron pathways being redirected for whatever that means etc) shows that you can continue living the rest of life without porn or masturbation. If you did it for three months, you can do it forever. That’s the yisod of 90 in my opinion. I didn’t have some crazy feelings on day 90 that now im going to be free from this struggle…it actually felt pretty similar to every other day. The only difference was that i reached a goal i set for myself.
     Secondly, a big motivation of mine from the beginning of joining this site was to hopefully be in a position that one day i will be able to help others get out of their personal hell. If i can show someone else that no matter how hard it gets that i will be able to push through, then they will see that they also have the ability to keep going strong. That’s definitely something i still keep in mind. 
     Third, my long term goals in life automatically mean that i need to keep up my motivation to keep on going. Im going to be starting to date in the near future and i want my marriage to be on solid ground with my past being the past and the future full of opportunity. I don’t want to be a Moe Steiner (-; (see the new story teller thread if you don’t get this…)
     Fourth, I’m quite happy where my life has gone to without being addicted to porn. I have more time on my hands in general, im emotionally healthier, and overall i feel great about myself. All of these feelings are not something i really experienced when i was stuck in the world of pornography. I don’t want these feelings to ever go away. There are still times where the battle gets tough and I remind myself of the guilty feeling that i had right after a fall in order to battle my yetzer hara. The yetzer hara only lets you think of the pleasurable moments of porn and masturbation without you remembering how horribly guilty you felt right after…
    All of these and more are things that im misbonein on to help me want to keep fighting this battle for the rest of my life. I don’t want to stop at 90. I don’t ever want to go back to that horrible world i was living in. Internalize this and hopefully it will give you the proper motivation to keep on trucking. Wishing you luck brother.
-ftc
11 Jul 2022 18:38

Lchaim Tovim

I know your busy and barely have a minute to breathe...



I don't want to be a pain...I'm really trying hard not to ask...3 second rule...stop it...keep on trucking...3 second rule again...remember this story is optional...



but could we get another chapter?



darn, failed...the temptation was to strong...
Category: Just Having Fun
23 Jun 2022 19:55

chancy

Markz wrote on 21 Jun 2022 20:18:

chancy wrote on 21 Jun 2022 19:57:
Hi Everyone,
Im not really in the mood of writing today as im in a post fall slump. But, im forcing myself to write anyway. 
I always had this question "How do i know im winning?" If i fall once a month? once in 2,3, months? Once a year? I need to feel like im winning so i can keep fighting........ 
After falling yesterday, i figured out the answer! 
You won when you you can get right back up! when the next day, you are right back where you left off before you started slipping, and you dont have to start doing everything from scratch.
You won when your mindset changed from 'this is not possible' to 'im never giving up anyway, i dont care how long this will take, its all the way till the grave for me' 
You won when you can tell yourself clearly ' i know exactly what i want and this is not what i want' you know your mission!
You won when you can look yourself in the mirror and tell  yourself 'I AM DOING EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF!' and be truthful!!!
I Know what mistakes i made that led to this fall (coming to the office alone because of a delivery, I should've stayed outside untill the delivery arrived, but didnt realize) But the main reason i fell is because i told myself a few times that day 'this is it, you cant win this time' THIS IS THE WORST THOUGHT! because there is no such a thing! There is always the option of running as far as you can from temptations! 
Anyway, onward and upward. Ive learned a few lessons and this will add to my arsenal IYH. 
THe main reason im writing this long rambling message is because I want to take a huge leap and make a promise to stay clean for 1,000 days! The reason im jumping is that i have 2 very important milestones in my life on that date and keeping those in mind will help tremendously! So im looking for someone to send me periodic reminders or some such things to keep on trucking and to remember what im fighting for!
Thank you for listening!

You’re welcome. 

Although that is not what I consider winning at all.It’s positive actions that count. I don’t have the time to explain more, I wish I could, maybe I should…

Kome On Trucking!

What do you mean by positive actions?
Do any of these count? 
1. Giving up watching goyishe movie's after being hooked for years
2. Giving up smartphone after years and years of having one
3. Giving up news sites after being an avid news reader for years
4. Putting whitelist filters on all computers? 
5. Going from weekly P&M to 1-2 times a year maybe? 

I just want to know what would be considered in your eyes as doing something? 
Thank God that you are not Him. 
21 Jun 2022 20:18

Markz

chancy wrote on 21 Jun 2022 19:57:
Hi Everyone,
Im not really in the mood of writing today as im in a post fall slump. But, im forcing myself to write anyway. 
I always had this question "How do i know im winning?" If i fall once a month? once in 2,3, months? Once a year? I need to feel like im winning so i can keep fighting........ 
After falling yesterday, i figured out the answer! 
You won when you you can get right back up! when the next day, you are right back where you left off before you started slipping, and you dont have to start doing everything from scratch.
You won when your mindset changed from 'this is not possible' to 'im never giving up anyway, i dont care how long this will take, its all the way till the grave for me' 
You won when you can tell yourself clearly ' i know exactly what i want and this is not what i want' you know your mission!
You won when you can look yourself in the mirror and tell  yourself 'I AM DOING EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF!' and be truthful!!!
I Know what mistakes i made that led to this fall (coming to the office alone because of a delivery, I should've stayed outside untill the delivery arrived, but didnt realize) But the main reason i fell is because i told myself a few times that day 'this is it, you cant win this time' THIS IS THE WORST THOUGHT! because there is no such a thing! There is always the option of running as far as you can from temptations! 
Anyway, onward and upward. Ive learned a few lessons and this will add to my arsenal IYH. 
THe main reason im writing this long rambling message is because I want to take a huge leap and make a promise to stay clean for 1,000 days! The reason im jumping is that i have 2 very important milestones in my life on that date and keeping those in mind will help tremendously! So im looking for someone to send me periodic reminders or some such things to keep on trucking and to remember what im fighting for!
Thank you for listening!

You’re welcome. 

Although that is not what I consider winning at all.It’s positive actions that count. I don’t have the time to explain more, I wish I could, maybe I should…

Kome On Trucking!
21 Jun 2022 19:57

chancy

Hi Everyone,
Im not really in the mood of writing today as im in a post fall slump. But, im forcing myself to write anyway. 
I always had this question "How do i know im winning?" If i fall once a month? once in 2,3, months? Once a year? I need to feel like im winning so i can keep fighting........ 
After falling yesterday, i figured out the answer! 
You won when you you can get right back up! when the next day, you are right back where you left off before you started slipping, and you dont have to start doing everything from scratch.
You won when your mindset changed from 'this is not possible' to 'im never giving up anyway, i dont care how long this will take, its all the way till the grave for me' 
You won when you can tell yourself clearly ' i know exactly what i want and this is not what i want' you know your mission!
You won when you can look yourself in the mirror and tell  yourself 'I AM DOING EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF!' and be truthful!!!
I Know what mistakes i made that led to this fall (coming to the office alone because of a delivery, I should've stayed outside untill the delivery arrived, but didnt realize) But the main reason i fell is because i told myself a few times that day 'this is it, you cant win this time' THIS IS THE WORST THOUGHT! because there is no such a thing! There is always the option of running as far as you can from temptations! 
Anyway, onward and upward. Ive learned a few lessons and this will add to my arsenal IYH. 
THe main reason im writing this long rambling message is because I want to take a huge leap and make a promise to stay clean for 1,000 days! The reason im jumping is that i have 2 very important milestones in my life on that date and keeping those in mind will help tremendously! So im looking for someone to send me periodic reminders or some such things to keep on trucking and to remember what im fighting for!
Thank you for listening!
10 Jun 2022 04:54

yechielmichel

Kavey wrote on 10 Jun 2022 04:29:
Day 17
I think I'm starting to come around to long term battle/ODAAT mindset. Also to the idea of hopefully not but potentially having slips and falls along the road.

This perspective may not work for everyone but if I were chas v'shalom a sex offender and created my own fences which I could tear down if I really wanted to (even if I had partners, support groups etc.) and there was temptation constantly in my face (and let's say there were no cops) would anyone be surprised if I fell? I think they would be amazed that I lasted this long And then to get up, brush off and keep on trucking? That feels almost L'Maalah min Hateva

Are we that different, really?

This may be demoralizing for some but I actually find it refreshing. The mishna in Avos admonishes 'don't believe in yourself until the day you die'. R' Pincus mentions that they found in the Kabbalos of the Atler of Kelm 'not to be a complete Rasha'. All this to say that even those who aren't addicted have the potential to fall to the bottom...how much more so those of us who have already tasted forbidden pleasures.

I think the other aspect is that there is a part of me who says 'but aren't I cut out for better things than constantly fighting this yetzer hara of arayos (or P&M in my case)'? And I think the true answer is...no! This is my tafkid now. Perhaps prior to this it didn't have to be a focus but it does now. Not to say other things in my life don't have high priority but I imagine in Shamayim in my goals for the year, P&M are gonna be there in the top 3 or 5 for the rest of my life along with being nice to the wife and kids (and torah learning, davening of course)



Do you have clarity wether you are an addict?

i think it would be helpful to consult with someone and determine that now.

That wll guide your approach.

Looking at it from a non addict perspective, this last post of yours is setting yourself for falling, and contestant sstruggle 
10 Jun 2022 04:29

Kavey

Day 17
I think I'm starting to come around to long term battle/ODAAT mindset. Also to the idea of hopefully not but potentially having slips and falls along the road.

This perspective may not work for everyone but if I were chas v'shalom a sex offender and created my own fences which I could tear down if I really wanted to (even if I had partners, support groups etc.) and there was temptation constantly in my face (and let's say there were no cops) would anyone be surprised if I fell? I think they would be amazed that I lasted this long And then to get up, brush off and keep on trucking? That feels almost L'Maalah min Hateva

Are we that different, really?

This may be demoralizing for some but I actually find it refreshing. The mishna in Avos admonishes 'don't believe in yourself until the day you die'. R' Pincus mentions that they found in the Kabbalos of the Atler of Kelm 'not to be a complete Rasha'. All this to say that even those who aren't addicted have the potential to fall to the bottom...how much more so those of us who have already tasted forbidden pleasures.

I think the other aspect is that there is a part of me who says 'but aren't I cut out for better things than constantly fighting this yetzer hara of arayos (or P&M in my case)'? And I think the true answer is...no! This is my tafkid now. Perhaps prior to this it didn't have to be a focus but it does now. Not to say other things in my life don't have high priority but I imagine in Shamayim in my goals for the year, P&M are gonna be there in the top 3 or 5 for the rest of my life along with being nice to the wife and kids (and torah learning, davening of course).
07 Jun 2022 23:54

Markz

YeshivaGuy wrote on 07 Jun 2022 23:04:
Went to therapy. Was nichshal again.
Entering the gym now to work out.
Gonna try calming down.

No point beating yourself up about something that Gd would let pass (no I don’t have inside info). 

When going through good therapy, it’s likely expected for things to get tough before it gets MUCH better. It’s possible that “falling” is a piece of the process which therefore is not of much benefit to focus on - if it happens it happens, brush yourself off and keep movin’ on.
Ask your Therapist and your Rebbe.

KEEP ON TRUCKING!!
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25 Feb 2022 15:13

stillgoing

DavidT wrote on 11 May 2021 16:25:
If I may question this whole concept of counting days...
If we use it as a tool to change bad habits, that's great. But the count is in no way an indicator of the person
You can be at day one and be much better off than someone that's on day 1000 ... 
My humble opinion is to really rethink the way we use and view these counts... 

Feel free to agree and disagree 


"EvedHashem1836" post=368336
date=1620706409 catid=19

Maybe others will disagree w my eitzah but...don't worry about it. Keep on going from where you left off

Man! sorry I'm a year late to this party.(Told you to call me directly :-)).I really got to agree with EvedHashem and DavidT (and a whole bunch of others).

Our sobriety is not about a streak. It's not about how long you can hold our breath underwater until we finally drown or come up. It's about changing the way we do things to be free of our personal prison.When I'm lusting, even if I didn't technically 'fall' I don't consider myself free, but the flip side is when I'm working recovery and doing well - even if I had a bad day in the middle - I am far more free than I was when I had an impressive 'clean' day count.

Anyway, the proof is in the pudding.The fact that you picked yourself up afterwards and I'm writing this message almost a year later shows it to be what it is, an imperfect day (cuz who's perfect?) on our road to growth.


Btw, this next part is not addressed to Gevura, it's for people (like me) who will take the 'fell shmell keep on trucking' (FSKOT) idea to mean that I can act out all the time because I'm not perfect and I'll just keep on trucking' because streaks don't matter. All I can say is if you're honestly (honestly!) improving, then maybe there is something to that, but if you are staying the same (or getting worse), don't fool yourself in thinking you're on the road to recovery, it's a cul-de-sac that you keep on circling around and around and around....


Whoo! Now how's that for a welcome back speech. I think the forum members who don't know me are going to vote I disappear again....
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17 Jan 2022 06:55

joetyh

bro keep on trucking!!! youre doing amazing!!!
12 Dec 2021 15:09

Sapy

I guess we will havto change it from "keep on trucking" to "keep on flying"... 
10 Dec 2021 04:23

Markz

5Uu80*cdwB#^ wrote on 10 Dec 2021 03:33:
Dear GYE community,
I know I posted in a different post a tiny bit about myself, but I wanted to introduce myself here on this forum with a little more length.

With the tremendous help of Hashem and this wonderful website and its members, I have made it to 90 days. I had tears in my eyes when I clicked the "I'm still clean" button and saw that I made it to 90 days.

A little about me:
I went to public schools my whole life. Everyone around me my whole life told me everything was הפקר. I was surrounded and bombarded by the worst of the worst. At some point, I was exposed to Torah, and I decided I wanted to live a life of halacha. When I found out that watching shmutz was אסור, I was [miraculously] able to stop cold turkey. I said to myself, if it's prohibited, I won't do it. However, even with time, I was unable to stop the הוצאת זרע לבטלה aspect of this sugya. This pained me greatly. My will power was unable to conquer this battle. I felt like my tshuva was incomplete. No matter how many rabbis I spoke with nor how many books on the topic I read, I was unable to win the battle.

This Rosh Hashana, I decided with total commitment that I am not going to die before doing tshuva shleima and that now is the time because I don't know how long my life will be. I signed up on GYE and told myself, "I'm going to do it; I'm going to finally do tshuva shleima". Today I made it to 90 days, and I'm going for a lifetime, one day at a time.

I want to say a few points here about how I made it through the 90 days despite many near falls. These are some of the things that I know helped me, in no particular order:
1. I stopped thinking of this issue as principally a spiritual problem, but rather principally as a medical problem, i.e., addiction. This helped me to not feel eternally doomed and sad, but rather like someone who had a medical problem that could be treated. This transition in mindset was inspired by reading Dr. Twerksy's book Addictive Thinking, which I highly recommend. In that book, he describes an alcoholic who called him at 2 am saying he desperately needed a drink. Dr. Twersky relates that at that moment, he understood that only an addict can understand an addict's thinking. This is one of the many tremendous things this site provides—understanding from others who are in the battle.

2. This one is huge: I read someone's post here on GYE's that winning this battle is two fold. You obviously have to stop looking at immorality. He went on to say though that you also have to stop fantasizing. What I didn't realize until I read his post is that the yetzer hara always made the latter seem 100% muttar to me. I am confident that this is why it took my so many years to get clean. You simply have to shecht the fantasies by diverting your mind immediately. Do not repress. Divert. Just start thinking about other things.

3. Daven. Daven. Daven. If you're not davening to be disgusted by violations of רצון ה׳, how do you ever expect to be disgusted by violations of רצון ה׳?  I began davening a minimum of three times a day to desire nothing in the world but to do רצון ה׳, and to be absolutely disgusted by even the thought of violating רצון ה׳.

4. Guard your eyes in public. I trained myself to instantly close my eyes upon seeing any shmutz in public. This is quicker than turning the head.

5. Immerse yourself in the halachos of these topics. Every night for many weeks I would chazer right before going to bed the Tur and Beis Yosef on the issur of הוצאת זרע לבטלה.
Chazon Ish זצ״ל says that you cannot succeed in keeping a certain halacha when push comes to shove and it's difficult if you haven't immersed yourself in all its fine details for many hours and with great effort. I would focus on each word of the Tur, Beis Yosef, and Shulchan Aruch, saying them slowly to myself. Ingrain the prohibitions deeply within yourself. Develop a LOVE and FEAR of the halacha.

6. Make good friends and good chavrusos.

7. >30 minutes of high intensity cardiac exercise at least 4 times a week. This helps blow off a lot of steam.

8. Daven. I'm telling you, you have to daven. This is an impossible battle without siyata dishmaya.

9. Don't ever think that because it's hard and uncomfortable that you should give up. Nothing that is worth doing is easy. Nothing. Be willing to fight to do what's right even though it hurts.

Thank you to all who post on GYE. I would not be where I am today without your inspiration.


Love this post. What can I say - welcome to the club?
You sound like a pro!

Why don’t you post more often, is it because you have a username that’s a little challenging to remember? You can dumb it down

KEEP ON TRUCKING!!!
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