12 Mar 2024 07:15
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yitzchokm
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Understood. It will eventually get easier but for now keep on trucking, one day at a time. It takes time and experience to learn the ropes that are needed in order to build a comprehensive plan to overcome this struggle. Feel free to reach out to people privately or to post whenever you feel there is what to gain. You may want to reach out to the main mentor Hashem Help Me. His email address is michelgelner@gmail.com. You can also reach out to him in private messages. I suggest that you regularly read "The Battle of the Generati on" and do the Flight to Freedom program. I couldn't have broken free without them. Here is the link to the ebook: https://guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation Rooting for you.
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11 Mar 2024 18:20
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yitzchokm
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Posting on the forum and reaching out to people on GYE regularly helps a lot. Getting a good filter is a great idea as it will curb most of the trouble, but as you wrote, even with a good filter a pers on needs a lot of self-c ontrol. I suggest that you read The Battle of the Generati on regularly and that you take the Flight to Freedom course, including all the exercises. I am in my 40's but the 60's isn't too late. I am humbled by your courage to post and be interested in growing in Yiddishkeit together with us. Doing Teshuva and then falling again immediately afterwards is the result of not yet having learned how to overcome your struggles. I was like that for 3 decades but today I am a free man. There is hope with GYE. You can do it. C ontinue posting and sharing, read some threads and make friends. It is much easier to fight our struggles when we share our experience with others. Hop on board and keep on trucking. Rooting for you.
Here is the link to the ebook: https://guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation
You can also purchase it on Amaz on.
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26 Feb 2024 20:38
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yitzchokm
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I hear that it is crushing when we meet people who don't have these struggles, or so it seems. They are truly special people. On the other hand, we have the capacity to guide others in a way that they probably can't. We have a strength that should make us feel uplifted rather than downtrodden. It also isn't proper to measure ourselves against other people. Only He knows how to measure our true worth and we don't have the right to step into His shoes. On a personal level what truly matters is how much we perfected ourselves and not how perfect we are. We are meant to use our personal yardstick and measure progress. We can be humble knowing we are imperfect compared to others and yet uplifted because we know how much we accomplished.
Reading Chaimoigen's recent post on a different thread I realized that regret is an important component in the Teshuva process. We should feel regret that we missed the opportunity to be a Tzaddik m'ikara like the person you met, however, the Tanya in chapter 29 writes that we should have designated times when we focus on our shortcomings but outside of those times we should feel happy. Keep on trucking.
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15 Feb 2024 06:51
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yitzchokm
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It's very painful to hear all the trauma you went through and everything that needs to be processed. Be gentle with yourself and have loads of self-compassion and kindness towards yourself. You are a very good person and the challenges you face aren't your fault for having them. They were put there by Hashem for you to grow and become a great person. Leave behind the feelings of worthlessness. They are stemming from abuse.
You joined GYE and you are starting a new chapter in your life. The day will come when you will have overcome your challenges and you will be inspiring others. Focus on hope, strength and courage. You deserve it. It hurts that you had to deal with this struggle all on your own for years without the proper support system. Absorb everything GYE has to offer and make friends. We are here for you and we care about you. Keep on growing. Share your struggles, accomplishments and successes so we can help you and cheer you along. Thank you for sharing your story. Keep on trucking.
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14 Feb 2024 04:08
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remaininganonymous26
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Sorry I have not posted in a while. Its been a rough little bit. Going through a really stressful time now and I went on a few websites I probably should not have gone on. BH I picked myself up and I am trying to ride the waves until I get out of this stressful situation (it may be a few more weeks). I don't know if what I saw counts as a fall or not- I really don't care. I am here for the fight and for the growth, so I am gonna keep on trucking ahead! But in all honesty, any chizzuk would be helpful at this point. I feel a tug on an almost daily basis to "watch away" the stress, and it's really hard. Overall, I have been successful but any kind words would help. I also have to post more often. Hope to report good news soon!
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28 Jan 2024 19:15
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yitzchokm
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According to the criteria in the 90-day chart intentionally viewing improper sites is considered a fall whereas a wet dream isn't. Also, according to the criteria "if someone saw something by mistake and then got a little bit carried away and kept looking at it, or even if someone saw a link and couldn't resist clicking on it but then catches themselves within a few seconds, that would only be considered a "slip", not a "fall". However, if someone decides to actively pursue viewing, that would be considered a fall." It all depends on what you were doing on YouTube and what your criteria are for improper sites. Also you posted in the past about blocking YouTube altogether because you don't need it. What happened with that hirhur teshuva? Keep on trucking and keep on posting.
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22 Jan 2024 18:49
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eerie
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iwannalivereal wrote on 22 Jan 2024 14:29:
Just as an update - As I mentioned in a previous post, I recently discovered a loophole in an app I have on my flip phone which enabled me have access to google search, and from there I can access any website. That's right! Totally unfiltered internet right at my fingertips, on my phone which I carry around with me all day (except for when I'm in the yoshon ofc...)
I've been slipping and sliding around with it quite a bit. To actually access the browser takes a few steps. You have to click here, then there then a few more clicks here and there. I find myself taking the first step... then exiting. An hour or so later I'll open the app again and try again. This time I'll get even closer. Then I close it. Open. Close. Open. Close. I'm actually watching myself in fascination at how back and forth I can go. It almost seems silly, yet here I am - the clown himself.
The simple solution here is to delete the app. However, due to some very interesting technical issues with my phone, I am unable to uninstall apps at the moment. The nisayon itself delivered straight to me on a silver platter! I have reached out to a number of flip phone techies and I hope to have a solution within the next day or so.
In the meanwhile... I've been doing a lot of soul searching trying to figure out exactly what's driving me towards the acting out. KInda been unsuccessful in that. It's interesting to me how I'm not feeling strong urges or desirous tayva for watching pornography, yet I find myself almost sucked in and just going through the motions to access the browser.
Trying hard to use this tekufa as a zman of shteiging and growing. Knowing that there is a solution to be able to uninstall this app, and just waiting for the guy to email me back with the correct instructions means that I know that there is an end to this particular struggle in the very near future. I keep thinking about the gemara about palti that when the time came to return michal to david, palti was crying over the nisayon that had just ended and the opportunity of growth that was no longer available to him. Trying my hardest to really look at this struggle as an opportunity for growth... although I doubt I'll be crying when it ends.
Going to end off with a "public" kabala - that instead of using the app for when it's needed and then risking the slipping and sliding, I'm just not going to access the app at all. I'll keep you guys posted.
Thanks to all the guys who keep checking up on me over the past few days. It means so much to me to see how you guys really care!
My friend, you are AMAZING! Totally unreal!
I vehemently disagree with your characterizati on of yourself. You have d one amazing things, but do you think for one minute that the YH forgot about you? That you're job on this world in these inyanim is d one? It's not. And you were presented with a nisay on. You are BH not suffering from terrible urges, but you do have habits. Habits that were seared into your mind throughout the years. Can that be what's driving you? And now you have the opportunity to change those habits, to uproot them. And you are doing so! Every time you want to click there and you d on't you are teaching yourself a new way of acting. And you are growing. You are changing. You are announcing to yourself "I D ON'T WANT THIS!!!".
If you feel the urges growing, please, my dear friend, find some one to hold onto your ph one until you can fix the app
My friend, I'm impressed that you came here and shared what's going on. Keep on trucking, keep on sharing, and keep getting realer!!! (If Dr. Seuss can make up words, so can I:))
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17 Jan 2024 18:31
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eerie
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You know, dear HeChochma, as I read your cute post,
It's clear there's a win of which you can boast,
Just keep on trucking, a smart man once said,
And next time you're itchy as you lay in bed,
Don't just lay there all lost, with thoughts all tzifloigen,
Just get up and call the Rosh, Chaim Oigen!!!
And if he's learning with Benny, ah, how they enjoy,
Well, then, get your bulletproof vest and call The Cordnoy!!!
This great post of yours put some ideas in my head,
Cause the boys say there really should be a thread,
Where guys can all write their fictional story,
And let's see who can some up with the one the most gory,
I just thought that it's great, your poem and it's timing,
Start a thread where we can also try our hand at rhyming,
And as you go up, and your zechuyois are piling,
The main thing my friend, is MAKE SURE YOU KEEP SMILING!!!
B'ahava
Gimpel
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17 Jan 2024 00:02
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eerie
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Reb IWLR, something about your post touches me so deeply. You came here, within a short time you started flying!!!! You became a fire of inspiration. And, maybe some people, like myself, told ourselves, this person is just different. His struggles don't reflect on mine, because there's no way I can go zooming to the sky! And then you posted that you had a hard moment. You learned you can weather that storm, too. And that made you only greater. You reflect the story of each and every one of us. We each have our strengths. But when we start trucking, we gotta remember, the YH doesn't forget about us. And he might lull us into thinking we are 'clean for life'. We ain't gonna be clean for life until life is over. And no matter how great a person is, we can never, ever get complacent. I'm sorry for your hard time, but it made your inspiration that much more relatable.
Keep on trucking, smiling...and sharing!
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14 Jan 2024 18:33
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hechochma
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iyh50 wrote on 07 Jan 2024 02:32:
I have had a similar problem. I am a bochur in yeshiva and I joined the Shovavim program from YES (highly recommended btw). I started a few days early when I signed up. It was Wednesday I think. Starting on Shabbos, I began to get mild headaches and anxiety for a couple of seconds at a time. This stopped by the afternoon. On Sunday I was in a depressed mood, which continued into Monday. By then it ended. On Wednesday and Thursday I went running, and it was very therapeutic. So far I have been clean for 10 days! This is the longest I have ever gone! Iy"h it should continue!
Welcome IYH!
That is an incredible accomplishment!! Excited to have you here on the forum! Keep on trucking!
Boy - Welcome to you as well!
Depressi on is very normal and nothing to worry about. It does pass.
As menti oned reaching out to people, exercising or being otherwise involved in something productive helps depressi on a lot. It is also worth noting that these are the very last things a pers on feels like doing when they're depressed - they prefer "leave me al one, I'm staying in bed and I'm not doing anything." But despite the lack of desire to do these things, they really do help and make life a lot better.
Keep posting and keep on trucking!!! Chazak V'ematz!
Th
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08 Jan 2024 03:54
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hechochma
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proudyungerman wrote on 07 Jan 2024 21:54:
foolie wrote on 07 Jan 2024 12:42:
proudyungerman wrote on 07 Jan 2024 01:04:
foolie wrote on 05 Jan 2024 12:38:
And then you ask just plain Why? Because life sucks then you die and you just gotta make lemonade when life gifts you with a bunch of lemons
Sorry, I d on't know about any of y'all, but I can't accept this.I cannot accept that Hashem made this entire creati on just for life to be horrible. In fact, I believe that Hashem wants us to enjoy life. We might have to work hard to access the proper enjoyment, but enjoy we should! Isn't that clear from so many mitzvos that actually physical acti ons that are enjoyable? Isn't that clear from the tremendously deep, ethereal pleasure that comes from a real davening? A full seder of true עמילות בתורה? (Especially if you end up getting pshat!  )
D on’t accept it. But then stop asking Why? And Why me? If you want to ask those questi ons then that’s the answer. You can’t have it both ways
Why can't I? I believe what I wrote to be true, yet, at the same time I struggle with understanding everything that happens to me. My hope is to one day be able to appreciate how this struggle changed me. I hope to be able to see how much growth it forced out of me, and how I never would've gotten there without this נסיון.
I think I can have my cake and eat it too! 
You will. You definitely will.
In fact, you can read through some of the threads here, Vehkam's for example, and actually watch a pers on achieve tremendous growth and even transformati on specifically through this נסיון.
Whether that does help or it doesn't - I know the feeling of anger and c onfusi on that can come as a pers on starts to realize the tremendous burden they've been carrying around for so l ong. The feelings are painful and powerful and no philosophy will make them totally disappear in a moment.
I can only offer a virtual hug from out here and the simple c onsolati on that while I might never really know how that feels for you but you have people here with you, hearing that pain and feeling it with you.
Keep on trucking, keep on sharing, keep on shteiging and the burden will get lighter and lighter until you cast it off entirely and look back at how you've grown - it's called Breaking Free for a reas on!
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31 Dec 2023 18:16
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true_self
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Congrats for your 8 day streak!
Speaking about burning in purgatory, I personally will burn anyway so I don't care anymore how much the temperature would be or how many times I'll burn, what can help me refrain from lusting is to think of consequences that hit me NOW in real life. I'm told that thinking of rewards received from abstinence is better but it's a higher level that I didn't yet reach.
You can print out the PDF if thats works better for you.
Keep on trucking buddy! You're amazing!
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28 Dec 2023 14:22
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true_self
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Keep on trucking!!!
P.S. I also needed to post because I d on't get updates from this thread
But seriously Keep on trucking you are awesome!
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11 Dec 2023 22:02
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Heeling
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Hey!
Glad you took it as a compliment. But I didn't have that in mind....
You see, often after a fall we tell ourselves that we will never win, we tell ourselves that we are such failures and so on.
So, I was just simply telling you not to feel like that and to focus on your true self.
It is extremely important though to remember all the feelings/emotions that come from/after/during a fall. The negative is there to keep you in check and the positive is also to keep you in check as well. Both of them pushing from one side which will IYH allow you to walk in a straight line.
Keep on trucking as R Eerie says,
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03 Dec 2023 21:24
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true_self
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yud909 wrote on 03 Dec 2023 19:49:
And just to add something else that makes me feel terrible.
HaShem gave me so many chances. Without going into too many details, I tried to be nichshol, HaShem prevented it, tried again, prevented, I had to really work in order to fall. It’s like HaShem was right there saying I got you, I won’t let you fall in this momentary lapse of judgment and I just kept pulling my hand away and saying no! I’m determined to fall, no matter what.
sad, pathetic, feel embarrassed to face HaShem by Mincha.
No matter how sad this is I find these lines very inspiring, Here's some one that has such a PROFOUND relati onship with Hashem, realizes how he wanted to save him and is h onest enough to admit that he is guilty for wanting to fall (so am I many times btw) and is ashamed of facing him by mincha!!!! I'd just skip that mincha or just rush it through. Reb yud, I hope that you realize that you have a special relati onship with Hashem, ne which many of us desire and you should be grateful for this, and btw I'm sure you know that unlike we human's Hashem is a "forgiver" now all that's left is for you to forgive yourself, get back up on your feet, dust off, learn the less on and keep on trucking!
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