Singularity wrote on 27 Feb 2017 09:46:
Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 26 Feb 2017 21:50:
This was addressed and answered in my post.
The Gemara says he should look into his actions.
I asked the Rosh HaYeshiva, but how is that going to be enough?
How will it be clear, what HaShem intended? Meaning that maybe
he'll come up with the wrong message? And he answered me, that
HaShem gives the person siata d'shemaya to discern and find what
the correct message was, why he got that particular yisurim.
He does a cheshbon hanefesh, looks into his deeds/actions, and
whatever he comes up with, IS the exact thing that HaShem intended
for him to work on and fix.
It's lofty, for sure.
But Dov read your post, too. And still asked the question. What's that saying?
(That was a beautiful vort from Rabbi Spero, YTH! Thank you!)
YosefTikunYesod didn't answer the question, and neither was that Rosh Yeshiva, who was answering a different question and was not asked for the actual
process a person can go through that will help him know this. Siyata diShmaya is certainly needed with
all our endeavors, and every oveid Hashem knows that. The challenge here is always the same, and is brought out beautifully by a fuller consideration of Rabbi Spero's words.
Many of us have been subject to beguilement by charismatic leaders, or tried to fit ourselves to a peer group. The Novi Yeshaya laments people performing mitzvos because of shame, peer pressure, or to impress. Yet these are challenges we all struggle with and are all working on. However, the other side of this coin is recognizing and admitting our moral frailty, the way Rav Dessler does:
Rav Dessler explains that a person suffers the greatest
shochad (bribery) of all by his own ego and fears. I see Rabbi Spero's comments referring to that, as well. And this leads me farther from self-reliance, not closer to it. For this reason the gemara recounts the beautifu story of Rabbi Yochanan who lost his chavrusa, Reish Lakish and then got a new chavrusa to learn with. But the new chavrusas only said things that supported his views and made him feel comfortable. Rav Yochanan then responded in exacerbation, "How I miss Reish Lakish who would always show me the other point of view (40 or 60 versions of it, actually)! What do I need you yes-men for?"
Now
that was a man who was free to really learn new things and grow!
One of my good friends told me that the most important quality his 12-step sponsor has is that "He is not me." This was wise. Our objectivity is skewed, as Rav Dessler discusses at length in Michtav m'Eliyhau. So thank G-d I have friends who are not yes-men. Along these lines the Ba'al Shem Tov taught his chasidim to realize that things they hear from others are to be understood as messages from G-d, for good or ill, and to be taken to heart. The way to do that without becoming nuts is a skill, but definitely possible for most people to do.
Even Bill W, a Christian who espoused AA - a secular spiritual program that by definition has no Torah and needs no Torah because it's not
about religion - strongly
discouraged AAs who pray and sincerely report they 'feel G-d answered me' from confidently trusting their intuition. Though in the end we must all decide for ourselves, as Rav Spero so beautifully put it, objectivity and clarity is not achieved in private. The Netzi"v writes that this issue was why the Rashb"a achieved more consistency in his writings than the RMB"M did.
Telling us "We are always going to be the best judge of what is best for ourselves," is an oft-used recipe for disaster that AA writings refer to and that our Rabbis were aware of long ago.
I am glad that that we are able to share ideas that work for us with others, even on this special thread...
chaveirim