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Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 24 Aug 2013 05:05 #217096

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Hello,

I had a good day. Almost know thoughts entered my head and I have been happy all day. I had forgotten how good it felt to be clean. I will be sure to post again tomorrow.

-some_guy/Elias/Eliyahu
My Rabbi always gives me the same advice. "Be happy. The world is good. Just be happy."

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 30 Aug 2013 12:51 #217914

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Very rough week,



Last night it hit the peek. I realized the insanity in me. I just want "a little bit of lust" -that's all!! What could be so bad about a small little bit???



I couldn't and cant see the obvious events that follow... Like the past billion times when I stayed up the rest of the night and ended up masturbating.. This time I will stop after one hour..
For me the biggest nissayon - is to watch a movies. Its not that I'm lusting women - and want to see them in movies. Its just the relaxation (READ: Escapism) that I so crave. But deep down its also lusting.


Anyways, this week I had a slip. Whats one more slip? I felt that I needed it so badly.. Fire was burning in me. Even going to oink-meeting didn't extinguish the fire completely. But after the meeting however, I spoke to the rock-thrower (GYE name?), he told me the story of one of the AA's. The guy was a real alcoholic, and thought after he had eaten and drank two glasses of milk - "What will one shot of scotch do on a empty stomach?" - Idiot!
(He ended up drunker than ever before etc.)


But then, what am I??? I'm saying exactly the same thing!!


I made it thru the night, by distracting myself. But distraction won't hold up to long. I need to find a way to get my life under control..
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Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 01 Sep 2013 17:13 #218063

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Was it a good movie?

How about trying to drink two glasses of milk instead...
?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 10 Sep 2013 05:59 #218693

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Hi guys,

I am not counting days. What would happen is that I would fall once and then feel that the whole day is lost, causing me to fall many more times. The same happens for hours. So now I only focus on the current minute. It has worked great for me. Anyway, how are you doing? Do you have any new tricks or tips? Thanks for reading.

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My Rabbi always gives me the same advice. "Be happy. The world is good. Just be happy."

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 10 Sep 2013 15:34 #218712

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Eliyah hanavy, eliyahu Hatishbi, Eliyahu....!!!!

KeepShteiging bro!!!


Thought I was the only cholent eater left... I really have to work, on "a minute at a time" - when that happens by me, i'm usually toast.

Over Rosh hashana I was trying to have full self awareness. Many times, especially when people are watching, I forget myself and only focus on the person I want to project... While davening - I need to daven. Not the guy who is portraying to be "the holy jew, wrapped in a talis". That was very hard at some points, but I did my best. More work ahead, and I'm open for suggestions, that is if - anyone can relate - or is this Chinese?



Btw. "Vetaher libeinu leovdecha beemes" - reads in my machsor: Please Hashem, help all the guys on GYE, me included to overcome our terrible problem. Clean them out - so we can serve you be'emes!

Amen kein yehi ratzon!
Last Edit: 10 Sep 2013 15:35 by Avrom. Reason: Vethaher libeinu

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 11 Sep 2013 00:41 #218791

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Avrom wrote:

Thought I was the only cholent eater left...



Still alive and well B"h.

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 16 Sep 2013 02:37 #219299

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Middos alert!

Well first the bad news: This yom kippur I felt like I was the new tzaddik hador. Why would hashem punish me? I'm doing all I can to be clean. I was so horible in the past years, but that wasn't so my fault, I started so way before I knew it was ossur. When I realised, it was already to late. I was hooked. So Im just thinking how great I have been with all taken the measures I have. 35 days clean just boosted those feelings..
....Middos alert! Middos alert! Middos alert!


Good news is that for the first time, I didn't fall motzei yom kippur!! YAY!

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 16 Sep 2013 22:38 #219389

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Avrom wrote:
It seems your heading in the right direction chacha!! KOT

Just three things id like to share with you:

In your megilah you mention

"I need to just forget about problems"

- HOW do you do that?? In my experience the more I try to forget about a problem - it just rebounds with double velocity!! Only when I explain to myself that the problem is not really a problem - and try to see the bigger picture, that every thing is just for the good. Only then the issues become (more) bearable.


two:

there's no chiyuv for me to be unhappy given what I've gone through, to lust for anyone--in fact, there's no chiyuv for me to act as if I have a problem at all! Ignore it, forget about it (but of course with a solid plan of shmiras einayim, and fences), maybe post once a week, and when you need chizuk there is plenty of that, because we are literally all in this together.

This sounds scary - ill leave to the experts - but regarding myself, i realized that if im not constantly busy with the issue - it catches up with me. Leanyius daati - it has not come the time to forget about the problem. HOw many yom kippurs was I ready to forget that I ever was mzl... Now is the time to act. Perhaps after a couple of clean months - when one sees that the plan is working, maybe then start to forget about it? Anyhow as of now I think its important to know that I have a problem. Would love to hear what the oilam thinks of this...??



One last thing:

La'aniyus Da'ati, I respectfully disagree about Hashem being more close to us at certain times than others. (I have the same problem with "this time being an eis ratzon, this time not", etc.) Hashem is there year round, 24/7, and it's only our perceptions that make Him seem closer or more distant.

there IS a concept of hashem being closer. That's why people go to the kosel... Or daven with more kavanah at certain times..
I just want to add that R' Sholom Shwadron says: Many people think that they will leave tshuva to the long winter... Whats the rush to make an effort in elul?? Wrong!! Being that the king is in town and every peasant has the opportunity to see him. If a person over sleeps the kings arrival - and dears to approach the king in his palace - he will be kicked out!! The king will ask "I was in your home villiage - where where you then??" SO if someone misses that opportunity he also looses the year-round possibility to get into the palace by appointment.



If I only brought up these 3 points - you can take from that that I agree to the 1342 things you wrote

Keep up the good work!!



Sorry it's been a while, but I've been adjusting to college and my first full-time experience of being in a Yeshiva, and so far it's been amazing. I really love Yeshiva.

I hope everyone's doing well. I am back in my hometown for Succos. Right now I am attempting to make an egg-salad...not the most lofty of goals but it's been a learning process for just figuring out how to hard-boil eggs


I don't think you and I were disagreeing. What I meant when I said that (what seems to be working for me) is to forget about problems is that:

-I know someone who moved out of their parent's house long ago but still is feeling negative affects from it. What I mean is that they are in their thirties, and though they have been gone since high school, they still have issues stemming from their childhood.
And I don't mean to negate those issues. I am sure they are very valid. They definitely aren't anything related to abuse; it's more "the mother is very controlling", this, that, and the other.

At some point, if you've left your parents house 15 years ago, you've got to move on and stop diagnosing yourself with problems based on what happened 15 years ago. I am just using this case as an example.

Now, when I say "move on", I mean "deal with the problem in an authentic way--either through forgiving, internalizing that your parent's problems aren't yours, that your parents are human too, or something along these lines".

At least for me: some things about my childhood I just have to move past. I can get past them 10 years from now, or I can get past them now. I can live life hating my parents, despite the many many kindnesses they've done for me, while not accepting that they are human and have rights to their flaws even though these flaws in no way reflect anything about me and these flaws diminish their quality of life--or I can forgive and love them with a simple heart.

תמים תהיה עם ה' אלקיך. Love Hashem. Don't chesbon things out too much--just say "no matter what, what has happened is for the best and I love you Hashem".



Also, never forget about the problem. The difference between me today (I hope at least) and a year ago is that right now, I am literally taking things a day at a time. I don't trust myself at all--not in the slightest. I'm not counting how many days at a time. And I think right now I am truly taking it day by day, minute by minute--like some_guy said.

However, do I need to frame life as "fall v. no fall"? Of course not. Would it have been productive for me to be on GYE the past 4 weeks? No--it would have taken away from time from other things like learning, and I didn't feel it would be a huge help to me personally.

That's all I meant, and I'm sure everyone's situations are differently.

Anyway, chag sameiach!!!

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 16 Sep 2013 23:54 #219403

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Nice to see you chacha,

B"h everyone seems to be growing.


YAY! onto the jhf section, new worlds to conquer!

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 17 Sep 2013 00:31 #219409

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Thanks for stopping by for some chacha!!
Especially when you are sharing good news with the chevra..


A git kvittel! (I still dont know exactly what that means )

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 17 Sep 2013 00:54 #219416

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Came up with a great thought,

Today's day was very exhausting. I was busy shopping and building the succah... Doing what would seem so regular to any eye. However it was completely new approach. I wasn't trying to find a small brake to sneak in some movie or games.. I wasn't lusting, I wasn't holding my breath, I was just living life like a "normal human being"

Now to the thought: A person brakes his leg and cant walk for a few weeks. When his walking ability is returned - hes filled with joy! He appreciates every step, every walk to the bathroom, the simplest tasks he does - and cant stop thanking hashem. This applies to most things, but one: Life One that looses life - will never get it back...

But there is an exception! Yes, addicts like me, - life was broken - I dont even remember ever living like this. Specifically during Bein Hazmanim. I feel such gratitude for the sweet "regular" life I'm given.
This feeling can only be felt if your life was totally broken. Do I think the guy that brakes his leg is better off? Definitely not!
I'm just saying that no person can feel such joy in life, unless it was so wrecked as mine (and maybe yours). and its just getting better...


Still have a long way to go, one day at a time..

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 17 Sep 2013 16:33 #219459

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Avrom wrote:

A git kvittel! (I still dont know exactly what that means )

I think it's a hochacha of a pe'ulas hamechyev, though there is no real chalois, still the roshem of the pe'ulah is clearly nikkar in the totza'ah, which can quite possibly be a different "din", understand?
?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 17 Sep 2013 17:35 #219463

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Hey! whats all that noise?

Why are you making such a din?!?
Last Edit: 17 Sep 2013 20:04 by moish u.k..

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 18 Sep 2013 00:56 #219523

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moish u.k. wrote:
Hey! whats all that noise?

Why are you making such a din?!?


he must be from marmerosh!!!

Re: Tcholent for the Soul (the Group) 18 Sep 2013 01:04 #219524

I love marshmallows. Especially roasted ones.

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