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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 04:09 #343800

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i-man wrote on 25 Sep 2019 03:56:
Why the comparison of lusting to garlic  ?
Garlic has many wonderful positive uses , and could be an additional shmira of getting to close to strange women.

Garlic
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 04:15 #343801

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It's been a while since a thread has generated such activity. Wow!

To clarify what I wrote previously:   Obviously the best thing is to avoid seeing things in the first place. Some may disagree with what I suggest, but for me what has worked best is avoidance. I stay away from certain stores, and if I must go to one of them it will be at the least populated hours. In the street I slip my glasses down on my nose a bit, so I am simply not seeing all that the street has to offer. Obviously when driving this is not available. At a chasuna I stay away from the women's shmorg. I enter the chupa room  when everyone is seated and exit after the crowds have basically left. Likewise, a little planning in advance of a trip to the airport, hotel, etc. can spare one loads of agmas nefesh.

If I do notice someone dressed immodestly, I bh have trained myself to look away immediately. Personally I do not get triggered by what you refer to as "prutzos". I actually usually find them nauseatingly disgusting (excuse my language - but many times they are simply a shame to the human race!). However I look away because that is what Hashem wants us to do - not look at ervah, and scantily clad people are revealing areas of the body that Chazal classify as ervah.

On the occasion that I saw something triggering - whether "prutza" or more often, a frum tzniusdik beautiful woman - and I looked away, but for some reason I cant shake the thought, that is where the "prayer" comes in. I need at that point to separate myself from her completely. For me (and many others) saying a tfilah for her at that point jarringly reminds me she is a person, not my toy/object and she is off limits. For me it works and kills the image/thought.

I hope this clarifies my previous post. But I learned long ago, that we all think differently, so if anyone disagrees, let the fun continue. Hatzlocha to all!
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 14:24 #343810

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stillgoing wrote on 25 Sep 2019 02:53:

sleepy wrote on 25 Sep 2019 00:56:
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My, to try and respond to each point, I just put my thoughts in blue print in between yours.

Not necessarily all three at once
because otherwise it will "dent my feelings of tzniyos"?
We are very impressionable, and yes I may have looked at worse things, (may have? Is this something that you're not sure about?) but just because I ate garlic should i eat some more? (Did someone suggest that you take in more lust?) ake  I was under an attack by lust, my mind wasnt working to shoot at what I was seeing, oh disgusting,prutza, rashanta, but when im in the street and NOT in a lust mode and I see someone waking up my lust which I dont want, by her I(I dont want to trigger anyone with details)triggering mode of wear ,ill shoot her mentally and instead of ogling over her ill mentally put her in her place ,"nothing to admire over there, just a person acting like an animal/beheima (if it's stirring our lust- I guess we enjoy beheimas. what does that say about us?) dont demean yourself and look or even think  about her  shes just a low
prutza(if it makes you feel higher by putting down others, go ahead) (too sharp for you? Sorry someone who dresses bipritzes is a prutza) (not too sharp for me. It may be true, but I'm not her father. I don't care if she's a prutza or a pizza. I care what I am)
Rashanta. (Too sharp? Well tzadeikis shes not , a beinenei perhaps? (Again, I dont care what she is. I care what I am) ar Per but lets not forget im not recquired to dan her likaf zechus, so dont be angry at me if i dont give the benefit of the when al pi Torah im not michuyav, lets not make a new Torah here, (huh? I missed that one) so I threw a label of reshanta at her, big deal) (funny, how I don't hear Rav Chaim Kanievsky throwing the label rishanta as no big deal.)
Disgusting? Yes, someone who dresses that way is disgusting and to show that im not a hypocrite ill admit that if I walk around in my underwear I am disgusting, ok? (I'm assuming that you don't do that. What about the things that you do do? Are they disgusting? Does that make you dis... too?)
Does she masterbate?Maybe (how would you know that? Um- don't answer that please)
What about fantasize about you?No , im not anything to write home about, but im sure she has her not appropiate thoughts, (i think you'd be very surprised to learn that not everyone is as you assume then to be...)  excuse me for saying this but her way of living without a Torah and upbringing in coed situations I doubt she has her "innocence ""ich red nisht vegen a yid""ein ani midaber al isha yisra'elis"
Maybe a little pornography?Maybe.
Who are we fooling? Let's get real about who we are and stop pointing fingers at others!  That lady probably has serious modesty issues, but how can we be ''holier then thou'.No one is holier than thou, shes a rashanta, prutza , disgusting and im a blankety blank blank, (interesting, she is a rashanta, prutza , disgusting, but you are only blankety blank blank. Is someone ashamed to face what they do?) will I gain anything by calling myself that no, will I gain anything by calling her that ? (Quite the opposite. By calling yourself that you will gain a real awareness of exactly what your challenge is, and we can hardly expect to fix it if we won't even say what it is. And by calling her those names, you are actually loosing out on an opportunity to better myself by facing my problems.) Yes, I will lose my desire to look at her   Why should i look at such a person? (Same reason we looked at her when she was displayed on a screen (with a lot more pritzuskite I may add))
Let's look in the mirror for once and call a spade a spade by recognizing that we have work to do in cleaning up ourselves without shifting the blame to others.For those that it works for, kol hakavod, but for those who cleaning ourselves up WITH shifting the blame go for it also. (I do hear that point. So, is it working with Long term sobriety?) (wow how did this end up like this) (same way any two chavrusas fight over the sugya. Wanna go for pritzas, I mean pizza?)

yes,but no garlic knots please.
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 15:04 #343812

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on the other hand -אין שום יאוש בעולם כלל

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 16:24 #343814

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not bad iman,not bad, i have to admit that i had to read the post a second time  ,but not bad
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Last Edit: 25 Sep 2019 16:28 by sleepy.

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 18:13 #343817

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i dont have a big prayer program,
I too focus on not looking - not because of chazal but because its poison for me.
Im no better than them... nor worse.... we're all created in the image of God.
You (and they) should all be blessed!

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 19:43 #343820

Hey everyone, this is so amazing. I'm so happy to see so many people waking up.
Here's how I was able to stop watching the poronos. 
I did some research and it turns out that alot of the woman who do this for a living are rape and molestation victims, so essentially every time you jeerk off to them you are feeding this rape cycle. These are runway models addicted to drugs and addicted to the trauma addicted to this lifestyle. How can you knowingly participate in rape?? Sorry for the grammar and all that. Just wanted to get that out there. It was easy for me to stop once my perspective on the people involved changed. 
Bless up and be strong, if I can stop so can u. 
Ps, the movies and TV shows you watch, are written and cast by literal Wizards and witches who cast spells to keep us all in a trance. So break the spell and stop the cycle and live a life free of the news and the media and the pornos. Because that will break the fear spell and the dispare spell. 
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 20:19 #343821

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SpellBreaker42 wrote on 25 Sep 2019 19:43:
Hey everyone, this is so amazing. I'm so happy to see so many people waking up.
Here's how I was able to stop watching the poronos. 
I did some research and it turns out that alot of the woman who do this for a living are rape and molestation victims, so essentially every time you jeerk off to them you are feeding this rape cycle. These are runway models addicted to drugs and addicted to the trauma addicted to this lifestyle. How can you knowingly participate in rape?? Sorry for the grammar and all that. Just wanted to get that out there. It was easy for me to stop once my perspective on the people involved changed. 
Bless up and be strong, if I can stop so can u. 
Ps, the movies and TV shows you watch, are written and cast by literal Wizards and witches who cast spells to keep us all in a trance. So break the spell and stop the cycle and live a life free of the news and the media and the pornos. Because that will break the fear spell and the dispare spell. 
HT

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This logic never sits well with me, and it's probably false.

But if it works by you, go for it!
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 22:06 #343826

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Trouble:
Can I guess what those 4 letter words were?
Was it, "Stop rape, Don't fear, Easy to-be free"?!
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 22:25 #343827

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lionking wrote on 25 Sep 2019 22:06:
Trouble:
Can I guess what those 4 letter words were?
Was it, "Stop rape, Don't fear, Easy to-be free"?!

No, it was:
  1. Dumb
  2. Liar
  3. Porn
  4. Hate
  5. More
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 26 Sep 2019 01:02 #343828

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Trouble wrote on 25 Sep 2019 20:19:

SpellBreaker42 wrote on 25 Sep 2019 19:43:
Hey everyone, this is so amazing. I'm so happy to see so many people waking up.
Here's how I was able to stop watching the poronos. 
I did some research and it turns out that alot of the woman who do this for a living are rape and molestation victims, so essentially every time you jeerk off to them you are feeding this rape cycle. These are runway models addicted to drugs and addicted to the trauma addicted to this lifestyle. How can you knowingly participate in rape?? Sorry for the grammar and all that. Just wanted to get that out there. It was easy for me to stop once my perspective on the people involved changed. 
Bless up and be strong, if I can stop so can u. 
Ps, the movies and TV shows you watch, are written and cast by literal Wizards and witches who cast spells to keep us all in a trance. So break the spell and stop the cycle and live a life free of the news and the media and the pornos. Because that will break the fear spell and the dispare spell. 
HT

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This logic never sits well with me, and it's probably false.

But if it works by you, go for it!

For all I know, it may well be true. It never stopped me though. When I watch porn I am a different person. What about my wife and kids? That alone should stop me. What about that I'm a respectable member of my community with public responsibilities? No knowledge has stopped me, but I'm very glad that it stopped you.
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 26 Sep 2019 06:10 #343837

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I once watched some videos on the truth of porn and it made a big impression on me,sg ( I waited by the pizza store for an hour and then left without buying anything since I didnt bring any money because I thought you were paying,  next time I'll try making up with you a time,place and day ,maybe that will work    )if it didn't work by you maybe it's because you have the attitude of it MAY well be true ,if you were convinced it was true it would definitely help in porn viewing(not in other stuff though)the problem is that I found some of the videos that I watched a little triggering so yotze sechoro bihefsaydo, the site stop the new drug might have less triggering articles and interviews but who wants to risk it.
there IS a concept professionals use along these lines  to make the porn viewer aware of the  actors discomfort the women's discomfort at least but don't know of the terminology.it does work for some people,for me the problem is that there are so many nonporn triggers out there so basically there's no difference ,I'll get my fix that way.
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Last Edit: 26 Sep 2019 06:13 by sleepy.

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 26 Sep 2019 06:18 #343839

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Trouble wrote on 25 Sep 2019 20:19:

SpellBreaker42 wrote on 25 Sep 2019 19:43:
Hey everyone, this is so amazing. I'm so happy to see so many people waking up.
Here's how I was able to stop watching the poronos. 
I did some research and it turns out that alot of the woman who do this for a living are rape and molestation victims, so essentially every time you jeerk off to them you are feeding this rape cycle. These are runway models addicted to drugs and addicted to the trauma addicted to this lifestyle. How can you knowingly participate in rape?? Sorry for the grammar and all that. Just wanted to get that out there. It was easy for me to stop once my perspective on the people involved changed. 
Bless up and be strong, if I can stop so can u. 
Ps, the movies and TV shows you watch, are written and cast by literal Wizards and witches who cast spells to keep us all in a trance. So break the spell and stop the cycle and live a life free of the news and the media and the pornos. Because that will break the fear spell and the dispare spell. 
HT

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This logic never sits well with me, and it's probably false.

But if it works by you, go for it!

Trouble please take the trouble to see what I wrote to sg,hatzlu/acha

p.s. and as far as it not being true some judges were not convinced that the women suffered when some women actors brought it to court,the judges,nebach had to watch a couple of movies to see for themselves ,they didn't realize that the actors were drugged up or shikor(I heard the judges made a lot of money on the case but yotze sechoro bihefsaydo because afterwards they had to use the money to hire S.A. theripists)
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Last Edit: 26 Sep 2019 06:34 by sleepy.

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 26 Sep 2019 11:57 #343849

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sleepy wrote on 26 Sep 2019 06:10:
 .....if it didn't work by you maybe it's because you have the attitude of it MAY well be true ,if you were convinced it was true it would definitely help in porn viewing....


Thank you for starting that "maybe" it's because of whatever, the next line though said that if I really believed it, it would definitely help.
Are you me? How would you know what definitely will help me?

When I disclosed to my wife, I watched her cry. I hurt her terribly and it cut me to the core. My kids whom I love to pieces have been hurt terribly by my acting out. I have lost enough money to buy a house in cash in lost wages because of my pornography. Does the fact that in a far far far indirect way, my computer click is giving another viewing rating to a abusive website going to make me stop? What about my family who i see hurting in front of my face? That didn't work so why will this.
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 26 Sep 2019 12:17 #343850

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Dov told me in a voice note that he has found (from his thousands of conversations with guys over the years) that those who scream "prutzos" & "zonos" from the rooftops or Times square or Kikkar Shabbos are actually people who "get off" on sex and fantasy with the lowest of the filth. Those who dehumanize the scantily dressed passerby or the porn actress have been found to be those who crave engagin' in sex with silicon dolls. They need this justification, for otherwise, there is nobody around for them to share a bed with.

Of course, there are other explanations, but this is a plausible one.
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