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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 24 Sep 2019 17:39 #343775

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Markz wrote on 24 Sep 2019 16:32:

sleepy wrote on 24 Sep 2019 16:07:
to give an extreme example, does anyone suggest not to be judgmental on hitler ym"s(now please water it down to the severity of a woman dressing disgusting)i dont think my problem is because of focusing on her or judging her,and my problem ,i dont feel , will be solved by seeing no evil

Hitler ym’s was a murderer which was a no no from day 1. 

Clothing however is a totally relative.
Often what is modest in location a, is not in other places. 

Lets take it further.
Adam & Chava only needed to cover themselves after eating from the Etz Hada’as. 

So it would seems that the optimal lifestyle is where everyone should be walking around bare, and I’m sure you - as I, hope for Mashiach where we will return to the pristine levels of Adam & Chava before the sin במהרה בימינו אמן!

"Clothing however is a totally relative.
Often what is modest in location a, is not in other places. "

But we yidden have to know whats tznius and pritzus, and when i was referring to despising ,i was referring to the well known mode of dress that everyone knows is not appropriate , and its more out there than you think

"`hope for Mashiach where we will return to the pristine levels of Adam & Chava before the sin במהרה בימינו אמן!"  

youre probably joking, and probably know this but there is a Gemara that says that even after the tikun haolam, clothing will have to be worn dont remember where though
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 24 Sep 2019 17:56 #343777

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so in a nutshell, for me
1.blessing her wont work(i know ,i know , im a creep from the deep)
2.disdaining and cursing her out for the next 20 minutes(in my mind) is not a good a idea since ill be wrestling with a muddy person and will end up muddy
3.running directly to distraction without focusing and acknowledging what has been seen is rish'us and pritzus,will run the risk of me losing my sense of tznius ,especially when such sights are plentiful

so what remains for me is acknowledging and distraction
and i think i feel vindicated that the blessing tactic(focusing on her) is not so ay yay yay 
but if it works for anybody else, kol hakavod!
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 24 Sep 2019 18:08 #343779

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sleepy wrote on 24 Sep 2019 06:51:
thank you R 'Hhm ,from reading your enlightening posts i see how opended minded you are, and therefore do not hesitate to reply and say as nice as it sounds,by me it doesnt /wont work,one of the things that cause me a tzar when i see a truly pritzadiga woman is she is flaunting in my eyes something that i desire and due to my values-religious/moral, cant have,and therefore i MENTALLY despise her for the pain that she is giving me(those who dont have these values gawk at her without restraint and enjoy the show,maybe they even whistle)and for someone who can  bless is  great in MY eyes,but to expect a blessing from me with the attitude,bless her because this that your lusting her and experiencing a discomfort is not HER fault , but YOUR fault for for having bad attitudes,and youre such a low person for not seeing the "person"etc,i think is not realistic, for me at least,i dont know who made up this tactic is (and if it works for some people ,hey,go for it!)but could be blessing and prayer are cheap things anyway which dont mean anything(i dont mean you at all c"v,)so bless them and as your blessing them imagine them in your mind so you should know who your blessing and enjoy that quick fanatsizing of a second, and could be thats why the lust goes away because as one is blessing and picturing them at least they got a mental peek.while if someone who who thinks the way i explained doesnt allow one second of the picture to enter , not one peek,and if a thought creeps in, well thats like the purple elephant that one should not think of,which is not his fault.
in a nut shell , if what i wrote makes sense, i dont think anyone will expect anyone to pray for a molester  who ruined someones life even though it may remove resentment from his heart, and the same thing would be in the case of the women mentioned above,and again, anyone who defends them and says ,think to yourselves  they dont mean anything, they just want fresh cool air,you are the one who is making such an issue with your lusting mindset ,i dont think is a realistic approach.
wouldnt it be a  wonderful thing to look at inappropiate women in the streets  or the screen and pray for them?   i think that person would be fooling himself ( again R' Hhm, i dont mean you in any of the ab)

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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 24 Sep 2019 18:17 #343781

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am i in trouble?
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 24 Sep 2019 18:19 #343782

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of course he has 
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 24 Sep 2019 19:16 #343786

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Is this for real? You want to "protect my values"?  I need to call her a "disgusting rashanta prutza" because otherwise it will "dent my feelings of tzniyos"? Does she masterbate? What about fantasize about you? Maybe a little pornography? Who are we fooling? Let's get real about who we are and stop pointing fingers at others!  That lady probably has serious modesty issues, but how can we be ''holier then thou'. Let's look in the mirror for once and call a spade a spade by recognizing that we have work to do in cleaning up ourselves without shifting the blame to others.



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Last Edit: 24 Sep 2019 19:18 by stillgoing. Reason: Added some coffee?

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 24 Sep 2019 19:57 #343788

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stillgoing wrote on 24 Sep 2019 19:16:
Is this for real? You want to "protect my values"?  I need to call her a "disgusting rashanta prutza" because otherwise it will "dent my feelings of tzniyos"? Does she masterbate? What about fantasize about you? Maybe a little pornography? Who are we fooling? Let's get real about who we are and stop pointing fingers at others!  That lady probably has serious modesty issues, but how can we be ''holier then thou'. Let's look in the mirror for once and call a spade a spade by recognizing that we have work to do in cleaning up ourselves without shifting the blame to others.



I'm sorry for yelling but do I sniff some hypocrisy here....?

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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 00:56 #343790

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excerpts from stillgoings post:
Is this for real? You want to "protect your values"? You need to call her a "disgusting "or"rashanta " or "prutza"

Not necessarily all three at once
because otherwise it will "dent my feelings of tzniyos"?
We are very impressionable, and yes I may have looked at worse things , but just because I ate garlic should i eat some more? When I was under an attack by lust, my mind wasnt working to shoot at what I was seeing, oh disgusting,prutza, rashanta, but when im in the street and NOT in a lust mode and I see someone waking up my lust which I dont want, by her I(I dont want to trigger anyone with details)triggering mode of wear ,ill shoot her mentally and instead of ogling over her ill mentally put her in her place ,"nothing to admire over there, just a person acting like an animal/beheima  dont demean yourself and look or even think  about her shes just a low
prutza (too sharp for you? Sorry someone who dresses bipritzes is a prutza)
Rashanta. (Too sharp? Well tzadeikis shes not , a beinenei perhaps? Perhaps but lets not forget im not recquired to dan her likaf zechus, so dont be angry at me if i dont give the benefit of the when al pi Torah im not michuyav, lets not make a new Torah here, so I threw a label of reshanta at her, big deal)
Disgusting? Yes, someone who dresses that way is disgusting and to show that im not a hypocrite ill admit that if I walk around in my underwear I am disgusting, ok?
Does she masterbate?Maybe
What about fantasize about you?No , im not anything to write home about, but im sure she has her not appropiate thoughts, excuse me for saying this but her way of living without a Torah and upbringing in coed situations I doubt she has her "innocence ""ich red nisht vegen a yid""ein ani midaber al isha yisra'elis"
Maybe a little pornography?Maybe.
Who are we fooling? Let's get real about who we are and stop pointing fingers at others!  That lady probably has serious modesty issues, but how can we be ''holier then thou'.No one is holier than thou, shes a rashanta, prutza , disgusting and im a blankety blank blank, will I gain anything by calling myself that no, will I gain anything by calling her that ? Yes, I will lose my desire to look at her   Why should i look at such a person?
Let's look in the mirror for once and call a spade a spade by recognizing that we have work to do in cleaning up ourselves without shifting the blame to others.For those that it works for, kol hakavod, but for those who cleaning ourselves up WITH shifting the blame go for it also.(wow how did this end up like this)
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Last Edit: 25 Sep 2019 01:04 by sleepy.

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 01:06 #343791

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stillgoing wrote on 24 Sep 2019 19:16:
Is this for real? You want to "protect my values"?  I need to call her a "disgusting rashanta prutza" because otherwise it will "dent my feelings of tzniyos"? Does she masterbate? What about fantasize about you? Maybe a little pornography? Who are we fooling? Let's get real about who we are and stop pointing fingers at others!  That lady probably has serious modesty issues, but how can we be ''holier then thou'. Let's look in the mirror for once and call a spade a spade by recognizing that we have work to do in cleaning up ourselves without shifting the blame to others.



I'm sorry for yelling but do I sniff some hypocrisy here....?

maybe garlic?
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 01:28 #343792

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sleepy wrote on 25 Sep 2019 00:56:
excerpts from stillgoings post:
Is this for real? You want to "protect your values"? You need to call her a "disgusting "or"rashanta " or "prutza"

Not necessarily all three at once
because otherwise it will "dent my feelings of tzniyos"?
We are very impressionable, and yes I may have looked at worse things , but just because I ate garlic should i eat some more? When I was under an attack by lust, my mind wasnt working to shoot at what I was seeing, oh disgusting,prutza, rashanta, but when im in the street and NOT in a lust mode and I see someone waking up my lust which I dont want, by her I(I dont want to trigger anyone with details)triggering mode of wear ,ill shoot her mentally and instead of ogling over her ill mentally put her in her place ,"nothing to admire over there, just a person acting like an animal/beheima  dont demean yourself and look or even think  about her shes just a low
prutza (too sharp for you? Sorry someone who dresses bipritzes is a prutza)
Rashanta. (Too sharp? Well tzadeikis shes not , a beinenei perhaps? Perhaps but lets not forget im not recquired to dan her likaf zechus, so dont be angry at me if i dont give the benefit of the when al pi Torah im not michuyav, lets not make a new Torah here, so I threw a label of reshanta at her, big deal)
Disgusting? Yes, someone who dresses that way is disgusting and to show that im not a hypocrite ill admit that if I walk around in my underwear I am disgusting, ok?
Does she masterbate?Maybe
What about fantasize about you?No , im not anything to write home about, but im sure she has her not appropiate thoughts, excuse me for saying this but her way of living without a Torah and upbringing in coed situations I doubt she has her "innocence ""ich red nisht vegen a yid""ein ani midaber al isha yisra'elis"
Maybe a little pornography?Maybe.
Who are we fooling? Let's get real about who we are and stop pointing fingers at others!  That lady probably has serious modesty issues, but how can we be ''holier then thou'.No one is holier than thou, shes a rashanta, prutza , disgusting and im a blankety blank blank, will I gain anything by calling myself that no, will I gain anything by calling her that ? Yes, I will lose my desire to look at her   Why should i look at such a person?
Let's look in the mirror for once and call a spade a spade by recognizing that we have work to do in cleaning up ourselves without shifting the blame to others.For those that it works for, kol hakavod, but for those who cleaning ourselves up WITH shifting the blame go for it also.(wow how did this end up like this)

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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 01:31 #343793

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At the risk of pushing to long (I probably past that already) I still maintain that if we're busy pointing at others, we avoid having to point at ourselves.  It's painful to really admit what we do. I never thought that I avoided my problems - I spent years on gye- but when I told my wife the whole megillah, the painful truth started to sink in. 

For me, real recovery began when I admitted and focused fully on my own shortcomings...
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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 02:01 #343794

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Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 02:53 #343797

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sleepy wrote on 25 Sep 2019 00:56:
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My, to try and respond to each point, I just put my thoughts in blue print in between yours.

Not necessarily all three at once
because otherwise it will "dent my feelings of tzniyos"?
We are very impressionable, and yes I may have looked at worse things, (may have? Is this something that you're not sure about?) but just because I ate garlic should i eat some more? (Did someone suggest that you take in more lust?) ake  I was under an attack by lust, my mind wasnt working to shoot at what I was seeing, oh disgusting,prutza, rashanta, but when im in the street and NOT in a lust mode and I see someone waking up my lust which I dont want, by her I(I dont want to trigger anyone with details)triggering mode of wear ,ill shoot her mentally and instead of ogling over her ill mentally put her in her place ,"nothing to admire over there, just a person acting like an animal/beheima (if it's stirring our lust- I guess we enjoy beheimas. what does that say about us?) dont demean yourself and look or even think  about her  shes just a low
prutza(if it makes you feel higher by putting down others, go ahead) (too sharp for you? Sorry someone who dresses bipritzes is a prutza) (not too sharp for me. It may be true, but I'm not her father. I don't care if she's a prutza or a pizza. I care what I am)
Rashanta. (Too sharp? Well tzadeikis shes not , a beinenei perhaps? (Again, I dont care what she is. I care what I am) ar Per but lets not forget im not recquired to dan her likaf zechus, so dont be angry at me if i dont give the benefit of the when al pi Torah im not michuyav, lets not make a new Torah here, (huh? I missed that one) so I threw a label of reshanta at her, big deal) (funny, how I don't hear Rav Chaim Kanievsky throwing the label rishanta as no big deal.)
Disgusting? Yes, someone who dresses that way is disgusting and to show that im not a hypocrite ill admit that if I walk around in my underwear I am disgusting, ok? (I'm assuming that you don't do that. What about the things that you do do? Are they disgusting? Does that make you dis... too?)
Does she masterbate?Maybe (how would you know that? Um- don't answer that please)
What about fantasize about you?No , im not anything to write home about, but im sure she has her not appropiate thoughts, (i think you'd be very surprised to learn that not everyone is as you assume then to be...)  excuse me for saying this but her way of living without a Torah and upbringing in coed situations I doubt she has her "innocence ""ich red nisht vegen a yid""ein ani midaber al isha yisra'elis"
Maybe a little pornography?Maybe.
Who are we fooling? Let's get real about who we are and stop pointing fingers at others!  That lady probably has serious modesty issues, but how can we be ''holier then thou'.No one is holier than thou, shes a rashanta, prutza , disgusting and im a blankety blank blank, (interesting, she is a rashanta, prutza , disgusting, but you are only blankety blank blank. Is someone ashamed to face what they do?) will I gain anything by calling myself that no, will I gain anything by calling her that ? (Quite the opposite. By calling yourself that you will gain a real awareness of exactly what your challenge is, and we can hardly expect to fix it if we won't even say what it is. And by calling her those names, you are actually loosing out on an opportunity to better myself by facing my problems.) Yes, I will lose my desire to look at her   Why should i look at such a person? (Same reason we looked at her when she was displayed on a screen (with a lot more pritzuskite I may add))
Let's look in the mirror for once and call a spade a spade by recognizing that we have work to do in cleaning up ourselves without shifting the blame to others.For those that it works for, kol hakavod, but for those who cleaning ourselves up WITH shifting the blame go for it also. (I do hear that point. So, is it working with Long term sobriety?) (wow how did this end up like this) (same way any two chavrusas fight over the sugya. Wanna go for pritzas, I mean pizza?)
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Last Edit: 25 Sep 2019 02:58 by stillgoing.

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 03:43 #343798

loving the back and forth here guys!! makes one (who hasnt thought yet,) think.

thanks!

Re: Wake Sleepy up! 25 Sep 2019 03:56 #343799

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Why the comparison of lusting to garlic  ?
Garlic has many wonderful positive uses , and could be an additional shmira of getting to close to strange women.
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