Yiddle2 wrote on 04 Mar 2010 02:56:
Just for the record, Mussar is also not enough to "just read" or "learn". If you dont put into action, you really havent done anything except read it. Lets not be so quick to put away the mussar and Torah, but the 12 steps can be useful nonetheless.
Sorry Yiddle, but if learning (including mussar) for years in yeshivah has not stopped a yid (like me) from doing these crazy horrible things, then it seems poshut to me that for some reason they have
not been successful at putting them into action and are stuck in the "just reading it" phase. And
informing them that they need to put it into action is not likely going to be enough. That's all I meant.
In my case, I needed to put
the steps into action first, in order to learn how to put Torah and Mussar into action in my life. And it took sobriety, time, love, and pain. And more love and more time....
Sorry for giving the wrong impression above, and I hope this helps an "I'm gonna fall"-nick somewhere...