im not alone wrote on 26 Dec 2010 20:51:


welcome aboard

decide to stay here for thee long haul!!!!!!!!

im reading this forum for quite some time
and yes the only reason i might opt out is as i said...
a full year being clean


with u all i can do it

Help! I'm a real freshman at this site, and I really don't want to look at ****, I just want to listen to a shiur on MP-3....

But those uncomfortable butterflies are starting to flap their silly wings in my poor stomach.... FOR NO GOOD REASON WHATSOEVER!!!

Support please...

Feel free to email me anytime for a phone number to call.  I find this condition too difficult to deal with on my own.  Through connecting with others I can come to connect with God and when I connect with God, He can remove the compulsion.

Hatzlacha

I joined this site to get chizuk

I'm less than 24 hours from my last fall and feeling very low and tempted....

Getting through the first day after (when you're sort of hung over and considering taking 'the hair of the dog' as a remedy) is always the hardest. Especially because you feel that if you don't give in now...you're missing out on shmutz that you won't be able to see later because you don't want to mess up your clean streak

HELP!!!

ben derduya

im sure you know the story of ben darduya

where he met the last harlot on the world

and she farted in his face

she said that eliezer is farted out of baot worlds

BD!!!

dont take one more peek

that shmuts will fart you out of both worlds

the harlots know it

NOW YOU DO TOOOO!!!!

welcome aboard!!

come lets have a lchaim for your first day

(BTW ITS THE HARDEST DAY)

all your zaides nad bubbies are dancing in gan eden

yes we ripped another tzaddik away frim the farting YH!!!!

Hi! all

the last few days was so great i think i didnt do anything against the halucha (far more than just staying clean)

thank you all for your support
you guys are really inspiring

i'll guess i'll just keep on trucking

Thanks for the biology lesson on the YH, Reb b.

I poshut had no idea he did that.

Ppppttt!!!!

:o

:-*

bardichev wrote on 28 Dec 2010 00:50:

I do not have this text on Avodah Zarah 17A

anongye wrote on 28 Dec 2010 22:11:


Ok I'm siting in front of a gemara avodah zara 17a


It says "heficha" she farted
Says Rashi "ruach"

The gemara continues
That she told EBD

That we cannot do teshuvah

The main point is the final point

He assumed responsibility for his actions!!!


That's why he is considereda tanna

Reb elazar ben darduya

Cause he taught. a huge lesson


Ayn hadavar talla ellah bee

I assume responsibility for my actions


It not her fault

Its not the devils fault

Its not the YH's fault

Its not sports illustrateds fault

Its nott the biiboards fault

Its not the slit. The skirt the shirt the etcetcetc


Its my fault

My 2cents..

I don't suggest the ben durdaya route to teshuva.  Don't get me wrong, it is certainly effective.  The problem is that most people can't do it because as the gemara concludes he died.  To on our own try to effect such a large change out of sheer willpower is basically fatal.  Making a decision to let God run the show of our life and take it one day at a time surrendering our lust works and is quite a bit safer

You are right

But ovoiusly he is called reb elezar he beomes a tanna
(So I heard from the mashgiach reb mattisyahu salomom shlitta)

Obvously there is a lesson

We become his talmidim

(R')EBD is extreme very extreme

So was his teshuvah

But the lesson gevaldigggggggg!!

I need to do something

Even if the something is surrender

But take personal responsibility!!
 

Jooboy wrote on 29 Dec 2010 02:07:


OK, so here is some MaHaRa"L-esque stuff for you:

He died. He did Teshuvah, and he died. Which came first, I wonder. Maybe they happenned together. Maybe they always do...

"Ein haTorah nikneiss, ella l'mi sh'meimis  es atzmo oleha" Hmmm. What good does the kinyan do for anyone if the guy's dead?! Doesn't it say "ha'omer ein li ella Torah (he will not do mitzvos, just learn Torah) - afilu Torah ein lo!" - and it means even if he is l'Shem Shomayim. But here this guy is dying and will not do any more mitzvos?

OK, maybe not an eiseneh kashyeh, but you get my drift, no?

So we all understand that "mi sh'meimis  es atzmo aleha" means something other than physically dropping dead. Right?

I do believe R' EBD physically dropped dead. ChaZa"L say he did. However, the lesson and avodah for us may be different:

We really need to die if we are to do Teshuvah. We need to die if we are to get sober. And we all know what that dying is about, I think. It means that what we want so much that we feel certain that we are going to die without it - we need to eventually give that up. To surrender. Because we must eventually choose between living for lust, or living for ourselves.

Huh? Living for lust? That's easy! That's being selfish! We are great at that, no?

Well, no. Not addicts. We even failed at that! Our selfishness ruins everything for us. And so, we are shocked to discover that we cannot even live for ourselves by giving into lust! Our selfishness doesn't even work! If that doesn't work, we wonder, then what does?! Gevalt, what's a yunger mahn supposed to do?  :

At the end of our shameful, dark, and slimy road we discover that sticking with lust - the thing we trusted most powerfully and privately and consistently of all things - even Hashem - is actually our greatest enemy of all and will ruin our lives until we will lose possession of our selves any more! Uh-oh.

That's the 1st step.

If we are lucky, we turn our backs on our best friend and betray lust. (It betrayed us first, anyhow.) We jump off the roller-coaster ride. The attendant (our body and screwed up brain) screams "Hey! You can't do that! What, are you nuts!?"

And then the people we meet in recovery help us out by counseling us to respond to the attendant that he is right, and to admit to him that we are nuts. He stops hollering. We can't do it alone.

That's the 2nd step.

Then we get a chance to start allowing a Power Greater than ourselves to restore us to sanity - meaning we obviously lost our sanity somewhere along the way. Maybe He can find it for us? We - who were frum - worshiped the wrong stuff, and for a long time...no wonder things got so ugly.

That's the rest of the 2nd step, for me.

Anyway, enough ranting from me...Happy Shovevim!

Meimis ess atzmo. = Kill the Atzmo = Kill the ME = Kill the Self-centeredness, the Selfishness.

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