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Re: Marry him? Why did I? Am I an object?!!! 15 Nov 2015 23:32 #268668

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Hashivalisesonyishecho wrote:
Bigmoish wrote:
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Two comments to say.
1) Don't take your son to the beach to taste him, absolutely wrong doing.
2) Women do have an obligation to dress properly, לפני עור לא תתן מכשׁול they can't go dressed however they want and blame the men, both sides have to take a share.

Ziet Gezunt.
Seeing as this is a men's forum, blaming women will get us nowhere.


Nobody's blaming women. Just making it very clear to men that if you put yourself into the nisoyon you will fall.
I was primarily addressing his second point, where it still seems to me that he is, in fact, blaming women.
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Re: Marry him? Why did I? Am I an object?!!! 15 Nov 2015 23:59 #268669

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Re: Marry him? Why did I? Am I an object?!!! 16 Nov 2015 01:41 #268675

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For perhaps he is fictitious as well.
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Re: Marry him? Why did I? Am I an object?!!! 16 Nov 2015 02:00 #268677

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Re: Marry him? Why did I? Am I an object?!!! 16 Nov 2015 04:23 #268698

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A married man can usually feel happy in life without his wife. He is a business man, changing the world, doing big things... By default, he treats women like he treats food. He may be hungry, but once he's eaten, he's fine - and she can go to heck (I'm not talking about people who work on themselves). A married woman, on the other hand, by default, needs the recognition, caring and understanding of her husband - to feel whole. Without that, she feels completely lost. She doesn't look to "change the world". She wants only one thing in life, "el isheich teshukaseich". And that's a big curse, cuz men don't give it - by default. (Ask Dov, he'll tell you how it took staring down the barrel of the gun of lust before he learned to start using the "women's currency" in his marriage... See the Daily Dose of Dov in Chizuk e-mail #606)

(Now, you might say it's a curse for us men too, eh? ;D But in reality, it's our biggest blessing - because it forces us out of ourselves. This clash of "needs" is what ultimately turns a man into a mentch. But poor women... till we get there...)
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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 16 Nov 2015 04:34 #268701

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nice repost.

"The Guys' Guide to Seeing Women, Not Objects"

do you plan on making this guide?

Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 16 Nov 2015 04:44 #268703

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goodchange613 wrote:
nice repost.

"The Guys' Guide to Seeing Women, Not Objects"

do you plan on making this guide?

Team effort Bro!

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never use your phone durin' meal time!
do not look at phone before house is cleaned after Shabbos!
don't leave pants after pants after pants on pile next to bed!
dress the kids in mornin'.
Do homework with kids before you get busy with other stuff.
when she asks, "What should I make for supper?" give suggestions.
take her out for shoppin' or drive or somethin' (ouch! I hate this one).

Oh, and let her sleep late sunday mornin' while you take care of the kids.
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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 17 Nov 2015 13:52 #268822

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disclaimer - please read the first post

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I must turn off the oven and continue this cute journal
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Yes, the prospect of not having sex available whenever we "need" it can be terrifying for an addict first trying to get sober.

I have found it helpful to try and convince myself that I can live day to day without sex.
Because it's the truth.

In a way it's good that your wife isn't making herself available.
This way you can't use her as a crutch. You really have to be sober.

She will sense that you are better. She will appreciate the lack of pressure.
You will be able to connect better outside the bedroom.
In time, she will want to connect with you in the bedroom as well.
Because she will know that you want it to be about connecting, not about using and lust.

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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 18 Nov 2015 03:41 #268913

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MARKETING THE BODY OBSESSION

Advertising doesn't sell only products. It sells images and ideas, feelings and desires, dreams and values. It sells concepts of love, success, and normalcy. In short, it sells us an entire self that needs what it's advertising.

This self is externally defined. Superficial images of beautiful, thin women rewarded with fabulous lives become part of our psyches. We internalize the message that "I am my body, and perfecting and displaying it is the key to happiness." And since this self is empty, we're more likely to purchase products to fill ourselves up.

Once we're dissatisfied with our all-important looks, advertisers sell us on "the core belief of American culture": Any and every physical part of us can and should be improved and upgraded, even re-created. (Indeed, the women advertising these products are themselves "re-created" to the point where their photos barely resemble their real selves.) And their products will do just that. "True beauty," the cosmetic industry tells us, "comes from within: from within bottles, jars, compacts, and tubes."

The beauty industry needs you always to be "not there yet." That's why fashions change so rapidly – just when you think you're "in," you discover you're "out" and have to go shopping again. The idea is simple: If you're still trying, you're still buying.

Men are equally inundated. Fewer messages tell them what they should be, but they're told in no uncertain terms what – in terms of women – they should want. Many males as well insist they can differentiate between media images and real women, but associations are inescapable. Once a man has been conditioned to view only flawless, fake females as attractive, he's less likely to be drawn to an actual, imperfect one.

Is hair on a woman's leg objectively unattractive? According to Gillette it is. The beauty industry has honed "creating truths" to a fine art. Take this "fact," which virtually no one questions: Hair on a woman's legs is unattractive. An acquaintance enlightened me as to the origins of this notion. "Back in 1915, only men bought razors," she explained. "It occurred to Gillette [producer of razors] that if it could get the other half of the population to shave something, it could greatly boost their income. So it started marketing a new, feminine-styled razor called Milady Decollete to American women, featuring models showing off sleek, shaven legs - and the idea caught on." And Gillette doubled its sales. Today, or course, it's not only American women, and it's not only legs. Around the world, females shave, wax, and lase hair of more and more of their bodies. A growing number of men are doing the same. All this phobic hair removal is an expensive nuisance, and my skin-cancer-conscious dermatologist says it's unhealthy, but we can't imagine not doing it. We're sold – thanks to Gillette

Living with all this pressure to have the perfect body, it's no wonder American girls' self-esteem plummets when they hit adolescence. To compensate them, we now have the concept of "girl power." However, as media critics have pointed out, "Almost as soon as the phrase was coined, girl power was snapped up by the media and just about everyone else was trying to sell [girls] something. What it sells is an image of being empowered. Once girls buy into that desire and go after that image, they're told that the way to get that power is through makeup, clothes and boyfriends."

The beauty industry urges you to show of your body so you'll obsess about it and spend money on it. Big business wants you to be a perpetual purchaser. So we have to ask ourselves: Who do I want to be? Who should I be?
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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 18 Nov 2015 03:41 #268914

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MEDIA-INDUCED SKINNINESS

Media is one of the most pervasive influences in the world. In the U.S. alone, advertisers spend more than $250 billion annually. Advertising is our culture – and it's fueling our body obsession. One example is "the incredible shrinking woman."

The "perfect" female featured in ads today looks (and sometimes is) anorexic. The "perfect" female featured in ads today looks (and sometimes is) anorexic. Already in 2000, the typical fashion model was seven inches taller than the average woman but weighed 23% less. So much for an attainable ideal.

Yet this is the standard against which girls and women judge their bodies. In 1999, a study of fifth to twelfth grade girls discovered that while 29% were overweight, 66% wanted to lose weight. And body angst follows us into adulthood.

A Glamour survey found that while only one quarter of women ages 18 to 35 were overweight, three quarters believed they were. Even more shocking, nearly half of all underweight women thought they were fat. Losing 10 to 15 pounds was even more important to them than success in relationships or on the job.

Most females suffer from an extremely warped self-image, which leaves them criticizing their bodies for no reason. And the greater their exposure to the media, the worse they feel.

Perhaps the biggest distorters of our self-perceptions are women's magazines. Among the school students mentioned above, fashion magazine readers were far more influenced by the media's weight ideals and prone to diet. Likewise, college-age women exposed to ads featuring ultra-thin models experienced lower self-esteem, more negative moods, and greater depression than their peers – especially if the viewers were already unhappy with their bodies, as the overwhelming majority of women today are.

Television is no less insidious. The most dramatic example comes from the island of Fiji. Fijians long believed that big was beautiful. Large women were considered attractive, nobody dieted, and "You've gained weight" was a compliment. In 1995, however, television debuted in Fiji. After only three years of viewing American prime-time programs and commercials, 29% of adolescent girls were at high risk of developing an eating disorder, and 15% had made themselves vomit at least once. By 2007, 45% had thrown up in the last month. Today, eating disorders are rampant in Fiji.
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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 18 Nov 2015 19:20 #268956

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What exactly is the point of the above 2 quotes?
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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 19 Nov 2015 03:09 #269013

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What exactly is the point of the above 2 quotes?

It's somehow remotely related to the topic
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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 22 Nov 2015 03:23 #269224

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attractive girls/wives

balt86 wrote:
Does it bother anyone when women dress up makes you want to ask her to act inappropriately with you or Mb?


markz wrote:
I just read this thread.

THE TITLE IS MISLEADING

I thought it would be a diatribe about someone suffering from having an attractive wife...

Does anyone on this website suffer with this?

If not - Mr Balt could you please step up to the podium and take a shot to explain why no one suffers with this


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You have a point. But doesn't anyone have a time when wife is not interested in sex or not interested in making you happy. I think wife get moody very often and dont know how to please thier hubby. Another thing I wanted to say people have more lust on forbidden sex than random sex with a hooker or something easy that you can get than someone who is harder to hook up like married wife or mother in law ECT.


This is classic objectification
Wife has moods, good looking girls dont
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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 30 Nov 2015 04:57 #269894

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Re: The Women object!! (Siri-ously) 30 Nov 2015 12:19 #269909

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markz wrote:
attractive girls/wives

balt86 wrote:
You have a point. But doesn't anyone have a time when wife is not interested in sex or not interested in making you happy. I think wife get moody very often and dont know how to please thier hubby. Another thing I wanted to say people have more lust on forbidden sex than random sex with a hooker or something easy that you can get than someone who is harder to hook up like married wife or mother in law ECT.


This is classic objectification
Wife has moods, good looking girls dont


Wife has moods, good looking girls dont - I think it's only till you marry then
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