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Re: I need help badly(14 yr old orthodox guy) 08 Dec 2015 17:13 #270771

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Dov wrote:
I never said anything about "the 12 steps" in the above comment, and I never have said that the derech Hashem has given me (SA and the 12 steps) is the only way that actually can work for anyone. Actually, I believe that cannot be true. Harbei shluchim laMakom. There must be many ways to 'make it' - for all people, not just for Yidden, but for goyim, too.

But let suggestions be based on actual personal experience borne of failure - with details about what the failure was - rather than descriptions of success, alone.

Vorts and advice are usually based on inspiring people. But inspiration was always what we tried in the past - and we failed. Trying yet more, or better inspiration is just "doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result." Some call that 'insanity', you know.

In contrast, recovery is based on failure. Learning from failure and redemption of other people who failed as we did - yet discovered a way out when all hopes were lost. Hashem meimis umechayeh, morid sh'ol vayo'al.

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Re: I need help badly(14 yr old orthodox guy) 08 Dec 2015 18:02 #270778

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Bigmoish wrote:
Dov wrote:
I never said anything about "the 12 steps" in the above comment, and I never have said that the derech Hashem has given me (SA and the 12 steps) is the only way that actually can work for anyone. Actually, I believe that cannot be true. Harbei shluchim laMakom. There must be many ways to 'make it' - for all people, not just for Yidden, but for goyim, too.

But let suggestions be based on actual personal experience borne of failure - with details about what the failure was - rather than descriptions of success, alone.

Vorts and advice are usually based on inspiring people. But inspiration was always what we tried in the past - and we failed. Trying yet more, or better inspiration is just "doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result." Some call that 'insanity', you know.

In contrast, recovery is based on failure. Learning from failure and redemption of other people who failed as we did - yet discovered a way out when all hopes were lost. Hashem meimis umechayeh, morid sh'ol vayo'al.

This post is pure gold. Required reading. Though its authorship is suspect, due to its brevity...


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